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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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Willis your host and I'm pretty excited

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about tonight's show we have a shock

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filet and he'll be on I mean later on in

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the show we'll have Allen's Silverman on

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and we're going to be talking about a

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great new film I had the chance to watch

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it and I think it is absolutely

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excellent so that is called a witness to

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another world witness of another world

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pardon me and it's coming out I believe

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in just a few days and I'm just gonna

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tell the listener it is a great film

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we'll be talking about that today with

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both shocked and later on

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with Allen Silverman and Alejandro is

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not on the show today I just didn't have

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he was actually on the road so I just

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took this opportunity and to run the

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first 30 minutes or so with my great

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guests he really doesn't need

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introduction but as I say almost every

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week we do have a lot of new people

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listening to the show I'll just put it

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this way shock is my number one choice

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for any guest that I'd ever want on this

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show so I am that excited about it and

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I'm just going to introduce your jock

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welcome to the show

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thank you I'm humbled by by that

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introduction sometimes I joke that I'm

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the only only ufologist who doesn't know

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what UFOs are because I've studied as

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you know a lot of cases going back to

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working with dr. Hynek of course and and

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also working with people in France and

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in Europe I don't have a favorite

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explanation obviously the you know how

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to space extraterrestrial explanation is

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always the possibility it's always there

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but I've occasionally made enemies by

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pointing out they were

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things that the phenomenon did they did

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not didn't match any any hypothesis we

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have yet which is where science takes

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over that's why it's interesting I think

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that's that's true I remember when we

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met and Phoenix we were in line together

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at the hotel and I said to use something

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along the lines that I've been doing my

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show for a number of years now and I

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know less than I did about UFOs and when

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I started it just seems like it's such a

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mystery and I really like that you don't

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have any one explanation and that's kind

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of the benefit of doing this show is

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hearing people's ideas because that's

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really all they are at this point is

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just ideas well we see new ideas

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fortunately but we also see new new

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pieces of data a new phenomena then are

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being uncovered as more and more people

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become involved and that's you know

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that's how research functions right

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for now you you had a sighting very

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early on in your life over in France you

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want France you want to talk a little

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bit about that and just kind of give out

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of it go ahead this was the year after

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major wave over Western Europe in 1954 I

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was about 16 at the time this was during

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the summer vacation very clear afternoon

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sunny afternoon I was helping my father

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with some work inside her house and my

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mother was in the yard tending to you

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know the yard and she saw it first and

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called us and I rushed out and I saw

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essentially a disc that was something

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like half a mile away I would estimate

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close to and I had a reference as a

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church needle you know that was very

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very clearly about half a mile away and

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in that vicinity above the church the

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thing and had looked at it with

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binoculars he had three witnesses it was

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it looked like a shiny disc with a dome

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on top you know pretty much what so many

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people have have described and at the

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time we didn't report it there was no

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real place to report it and we thought

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that it might be a Potter type of

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something that would eventually become

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known and of course that never happened

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there is no such there is no such craft

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in existence flying around today right

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arguments you hear a lot as far as you

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know people will talk today about seeing

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for instance the nimitz UFO case the

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tic-tock UFO people will say well that's

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you know that's that's military but

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these things have been having this same

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type of behavior you know going way back

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as you know and you know that's one of

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the arguments you never hear too many

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people talk about is that you know these

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strange craft doing unbelievable things

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have been around for a long time and you

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the most or I don't want to say the most

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but you do hear a lot of as the triangle

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UFOs and there's you know there's cases

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triangle you know was her words not mine

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new model that comes out but the disc

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seeing back in the day well I know you

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know you're going to be speaking with

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Alan Zimmerman about that movie that was

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done in about a case in Argentina that's

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cover-up or an aircraft carrier or the

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Pentagon or any of that that we like to

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talk about you know in the u.s. it's a

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case of a you know a young boy

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country suddenly being confronted with

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is no there is no exploration I mean

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hoax this was not any of that and we

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were able to document the circumstances

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extremely well and what is unique in the

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whole history of the phenomenon is that

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we were able to document his life that

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meant what happened to him in the rest

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of his life right and including things

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in the area that one was located it most

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likely he had never even heard of any

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type of situation like that or at the

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time no and I have met people from

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lecture in size cities in Argentina and

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they said by the way you have to lecture

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in Spanish we which sent me back to my

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books and made me you know re relearn

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enough Spanish so that I could do you

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presenting the phenomenon but then I

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said if I do that I want to spend one

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extra day have a free day after each

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lecture in every as you know Jane Tina

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Western Europe and they were these five

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city and that was extraordinary because

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different phenomena a lot of different

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cases that they had already investigated

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the north of Argentina in a province

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called entry Rios between the rivers

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agricultural area is very flat and this

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isolated and Francia where this young

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their horses and in in the morning he

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this extraordinary object now I met him

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child psychologist and also the the

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schoolteacher from the school where the

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child went was was with the family they

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investigators where they are the family

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has a Kaido conversation with a school

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teacher and the child was a good student

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that he was you know very seriously

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reapplied didn't lie didn't make up

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stories and by the way when you met his

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father who was a true Gaucho there was

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pretty clear that you would joke around

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around his father hmm I know there's a

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conference or meeting or something like

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that and it comes time for him to tell

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his story and he just gets super

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emotional and he just can't do it you

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shows yeah that's what I I know it's

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very powerful because it shows something

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that you know we don't talk about very

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much in the literature but the impact on

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the witness that this is something

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that's completely outside their reality

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and by the way it's outside our reality

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how everyday reality I know just what I

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motivated me to to get into this kind of

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research and I know many people who were

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motivated the same way and here Alan

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contacted me Alan is is a young you know

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young filmmaker an artist

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najin Tina he contacted me four years

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ago saying he had was working on some

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other ideas and had met this man who by

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then was in his late 40s up in an

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isolated Shack essentially a cabin up

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alone with his animals very close to

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nature very poor hiring himself out to

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local landowners and local farmers to

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work around the farm and he had this

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incredible story and it was a story that

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I had I had published a summary of it

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in one of my books in a book called

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regulations and I don't wanted to come

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to San Francisco and interview me about

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you know what it was like when I met the

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family and I met this this teenager who

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had had that experience and I said well

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the other cases the same week in the

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same town and he said what other cases

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well there were three other cases by

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adults young adults in the same town of

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Venado Tuerto and that I had documented

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in my report and I said well let's do

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two things first I'm going to send you

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my file the whole file which was about

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20 or 25 pages including photographs I

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had taken at the time and my interview

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of everybody there and then I said if I

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could come to Buenos Aires we could

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close a circle with him and maybe the

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encounter with me coming back from his

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past would help reunite the family

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because by then he was ostracized he was

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pushed back by the family because this

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experience was so strange and also you

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know help him sort of closest circle in

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his own mind and it will also help me

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because this was very emotional to me

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and you'll see that in the movie you

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know I'm not a I'm not a movie actor and

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you can see that I was very very moved

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in meeting him again and revisiting the

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family and I think we did a great job of

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helping him and I think you were to see

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in the movies his transformation yes

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from you know being haunted by the

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phenomenon which is still around him and

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then emerging from it with much more

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confidence and so on and that's that's

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really what the movies all about right

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in this dramatic situation that he had

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at sung at such a young age you know I

289
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imagine in some ways rather stunted him

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and you know he he became he becomes

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emotional quite a few times during the

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movie but you're right you could see a

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transformation and I really like when

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the story focuses on the people and I I

295
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think Alan did a very nice job with that

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I'd like to quote or paraphrase because

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I don't know what exactly but there was

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a line you said during this movie such

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as we see things as kind of a display an

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exhibition of images back from like

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their background of subconscious that's

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one of the thoughts you have on what

303
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people are seeing would you mind

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explaining that just a little bit a

305
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little bit yes

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you know the book by dr. Sally's Barry

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in Utah who has done so much professor

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Sally's very wrote a book about the

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sightings in northern Utah and he was of

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course a professor of biology at at Utah

311
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State that in the University of Utah who

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did really the first very thorough

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assessment of the sightings there

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including the area of the famous ranch

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by the way and his book was called the

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Utah UFO display because he the people

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that he interviewed both they you know

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people from the the Mormon population

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and the Indian population in Utah were

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describing something that wasn't so much

321
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mechanical you know we like to think in

322
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terms of technology like you know around

323
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the in limits and so on but those things

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can really display themselves in a whole

325
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variety of different things as if they

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could they could paint an image of

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themselves and they can look

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technological one moment and then turn

329
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into just a ball of light that goes

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through a wall and this is not any in a

331
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technology we have okay this is so so

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that idea of the the display is very

333
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important and you have to go beyond the

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obvious technological interpretations

335
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and before I went to so Alan agreed to

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that I could come to Argentina instead

337
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of his coming to San Francisco and I

338
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spent about ten days

339
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there but defi when there i relearned

340
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enough Spanish so that I could speak

341
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one-on-one yeah if one and you'll see

342
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that in the movie now paths where it

343
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shows were two of us together because I

344
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didn't want to get into that aspect of

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it with an interpreter I wanted to hear

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his own words and I wanted to speak with

347
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him in his own language because it's

348
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just so you know so important and I

349
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think that helped us we're so in in

350
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closing that circle that I was you know

351
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I wanted to be really close

352
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following his emotions and you know I

353
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don't cry as easily as he as he does but

354
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then I haven't had that kind of

355
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experience and but it was obviously very

356
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emotional for me as well right right yes

357
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I was actually pretty impressed with

358
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your Spanish you did pretty well and I

359
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will tell the the listener that watching

360
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the movie don't feel it's a hindrance to

361
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have this movie because in Spanish

362
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because there is some Spanish with

363
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subtitles but the majority of the movie

364
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is actually in English so and it's very

365
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easy to follow all the way through and

366
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some interesting people did you remake

367
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the people besides one when you were

368
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there that you had met by well I was

369
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delighted to meet his family again and

370
00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:53,990
it was was wonderful to help that lot in

371
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the movie but to help reunite him in a

372
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way emotionally with his family because

373
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the fact that we were there filming his

374
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experience and the fact that I came back

375
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and they had they remembered me his

376
00:20:14,740 --> 00:20:12,290
father and his mother of still alive of

377
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course his siblings are now you know

378
00:20:23,050 --> 00:20:19,100
older they are adults so it helped

379
00:20:25,690 --> 00:20:23,060
reconnect in a way reconnect the play

380
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:25,700
and I could for

381
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to joke with his father and it was it

382
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:32,360
was wonderful I it was joyful you know

383
00:20:36,850 --> 00:20:34,250
just to give you an anecdote and again

384
00:20:39,820 --> 00:20:36,860
it's not in the movie but that's part of

385
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the human experience his his father has

386
00:20:47,020 --> 00:20:43,610
a felt hat you know like not exactly a

387
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cowboy hat but a gaucho hat and I had a

388
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:49,700
picture I had brought my pictures of the

389
00:20:56,500 --> 00:20:53,450
days when I was there you know 35 years

390
00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:56,510
before and he had the other had the same

391
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hat so I told him Senora del mismo

392
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:00,680
sombrero

393
00:21:06,850 --> 00:21:02,810
you know is the same hat and he laughed

394
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:06,860
and you know that was just so nice you

395
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:08,000
know that

396
00:21:13,450 --> 00:21:10,250
he laughed because it was the same hat

397
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and those are the little things you know

398
00:21:20,770 --> 00:21:16,250
that you have to spend the time you have

399
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:20,780
to and so often in the u.s. you know

400
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:23,600
when when there is a an investigation

401
00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:26,330
than a couple of investigators go there

402
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:28,370
and they go there with a questionnaire

403
00:21:33,550 --> 00:21:30,650
and they fill out the questionnaire with

404
00:21:36,370 --> 00:21:33,560
the witness and it's so very much

405
00:21:40,450 --> 00:21:36,380
tracked and scientific illogical but

406
00:21:43,030 --> 00:21:40,460
those experiences are not logical they

407
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:43,040
are not you have to deal with the

408
00:21:49,540 --> 00:21:45,890
emotion you have to deal with and and

409
00:21:52,150 --> 00:21:49,550
then they never go back and here what's

410
00:21:55,710 --> 00:21:52,160
unique about this is that we have this

411
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:55,720
extended time and we have the testimony

412
00:22:02,860 --> 00:21:58,400
from different people at different times

413
00:22:07,780 --> 00:22:02,870
of his life over really over 40 years

414
00:22:10,180 --> 00:22:07,790
and that is a unique piece of testimony

415
00:22:12,820 --> 00:22:10,190
about the whole phenomenon do you think

416
00:22:15,070 --> 00:22:12,830
that he would have had a total different

417
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:15,080
life if this didn't happen I mean like

418
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:17,930
you mentioned he's he's in a very remote

419
00:22:24,610 --> 00:22:21,890
area in this cabin and it looks like you

420
00:22:26,770 --> 00:22:24,620
know he he hunts and everything you know

421
00:22:29,290 --> 00:22:26,780
for food and and has his animals and

422
00:22:31,870 --> 00:22:29,300
gardens and things like that do you

423
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:31,880
think I noticed at the end he seemed to

424
00:22:37,660 --> 00:22:34,850
really enjoy being around you know

425
00:22:38,770 --> 00:22:37,670
family and in the village at the very

426
00:22:42,419 --> 00:22:38,780
end of the the movie

427
00:22:47,529 --> 00:22:42,429
or there is no question he felt

428
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:47,539
estranged from his family and you know

429
00:22:52,620 --> 00:22:49,610
so many witnesses go through that so

430
00:22:58,450 --> 00:22:52,630
many witnesses of of Close Encounters I

431
00:23:00,480 --> 00:22:58,460
remember I remember the working with dr.

432
00:23:04,270 --> 00:23:00,490
Hynek and interviewing some of the

433
00:23:10,060 --> 00:23:04,280
Highway Patrol people in the Midwest who

434
00:23:14,140 --> 00:23:10,070
had encounters and abductions and being

435
00:23:17,980 --> 00:23:14,150
unable to stay in the police force and

436
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:17,990
having to resign you know Ronnie Zamora

437
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:20,960
in Socorro or had that experience being

438
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:23,919
being ostracized because he was

439
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:26,210
different you know he was a guy who had

440
00:23:30,909 --> 00:23:28,690
seen the Flying Saucer and

441
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:30,919
professionally that ruined his

442
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:33,679
experience and many of these people went

443
00:23:39,130 --> 00:23:36,530
through divorces their neighbors would

444
00:23:41,770 --> 00:23:39,140
throw stones at their house I mean they

445
00:23:44,590 --> 00:23:41,780
would be rejected as you know the guy

446
00:23:47,169 --> 00:23:44,600
who has done something a little strange

447
00:23:51,700 --> 00:23:47,179
and brought disrepute to the family or

448
00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:51,710
to the town so many I've seen that with

449
00:23:57,970 --> 00:23:54,110
so many witnesses you know both in

450
00:24:02,049 --> 00:23:57,980
Europe in France but also in you know

451
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,059
certainly in the US and that's an aspect

452
00:24:08,159 --> 00:24:04,880
of it that nobody has looked at right

453
00:24:12,399 --> 00:24:08,169
and the first thing that I have to do as

454
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:12,409
right when I go to a site and deal with

455
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:15,200
a human situation before you pull out

456
00:24:20,289 --> 00:24:17,330
the questionnaire and you know the

457
00:24:24,220 --> 00:24:20,299
compass and the cameras and so on you

458
00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:24,230
have to deal with the people as as human

459
00:24:29,620 --> 00:24:27,710
beings and very often they are hurt they

460
00:24:32,020 --> 00:24:29,630
are hurt in their family they are

461
00:24:36,220 --> 00:24:32,030
hurting their friendships and in their

462
00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:36,230
professions right yes I remember

463
00:24:42,970 --> 00:24:40,130
watching some video or some documentary

464
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:42,980
that was had taken place in the either

465
00:24:47,860 --> 00:24:46,640
their early 60s or late 1950s and there

466
00:24:49,810 --> 00:24:47,870
were people talking about their

467
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,820
experiences back then and I remember

468
00:24:54,890 --> 00:24:51,840
there was a

469
00:24:57,380 --> 00:24:54,900
and that said if one landed right beside

470
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:57,390
me I wouldn't tell a soul after what

471
00:25:02,450 --> 00:25:00,480
I've gone through so yeah well

472
00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:02,460
especially in the military you know

473
00:25:12,769 --> 00:25:08,760
there was there was an experience in in

474
00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:12,779
Minnesota in my not the famous Minot

475
00:25:20,659 --> 00:25:17,700
case on a b-52 that had an average like

476
00:25:23,149 --> 00:25:20,669
both on radar and visually and one

477
00:25:26,330 --> 00:25:23,159
member of the crew went to the back of

478
00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:26,340
the aircraft in order not to see it and

479
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:28,620
his buddy said why don't you want to

480
00:25:33,019 --> 00:25:31,140
look at it and he said well I you know

481
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:33,029
I'm interviewing with an airline next

482
00:25:37,940 --> 00:25:36,690
week I don't want to have to say that

483
00:25:42,289 --> 00:25:37,950
I've seen the flying saucer

484
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:42,299
Wow isn't I did not want to see it yes

485
00:25:49,340 --> 00:25:46,770
yes the penalties in some of those in

486
00:25:52,159 --> 00:25:49,350
the military and in in the police force

487
00:25:56,269 --> 00:25:52,169
the penalty for seeing something that's

488
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:56,279
unexplained and can be drastic and what

489
00:26:00,169 --> 00:25:57,690
do you think about now do you think

490
00:26:02,149 --> 00:26:00,179
things have changed ever since I

491
00:26:04,010 --> 00:26:02,159
mentioned earlier ever since the article

492
00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:04,020
came out the New York Times people seem

493
00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:07,320
to be more acceptable and I just wanted

494
00:26:11,169 --> 00:26:08,940
to get your your take on that I know you

495
00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:11,179
have to go in a couple minutes here but

496
00:26:19,940 --> 00:26:17,700
well I'm okay it's great for Ireland I'd

497
00:26:23,470 --> 00:26:19,950
like to say hi to him

498
00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:23,480
will become you know close friends I

499
00:26:30,350 --> 00:26:27,510
wish I could say yes things have changed

500
00:26:32,810 --> 00:26:30,360
I'm not so sure I can tell you things

501
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:32,820
have not changed very much in the

502
00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:35,520
scientific community people are afraid

503
00:26:42,019 --> 00:26:37,740
for their reputation they are afraid for

504
00:26:45,289 --> 00:26:42,029
their grants for their budget just

505
00:26:50,299 --> 00:26:45,299
almost as much today as I did there

506
00:26:52,269 --> 00:26:50,309
isn't the same stigma but people still

507
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:52,279
look at you funny

508
00:26:57,380 --> 00:26:55,110
not so much in Silicon Valley because

509
00:27:01,789 --> 00:26:57,390
Silicon Valley is so strange anyway

510
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:01,799
right in many other ways but in the

511
00:27:05,539 --> 00:27:04,770
scientific community in general and I

512
00:27:10,430 --> 00:27:05,549
think that

513
00:27:12,769 --> 00:27:10,440
true in the military and I think maybe

514
00:27:15,470 --> 00:27:12,779
the Nimitz experience we've changed

515
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:15,480
things because so many of these pilots

516
00:27:19,609 --> 00:27:18,480
were highly respected and everybody

517
00:27:23,629 --> 00:27:19,619
knows they're not lying

518
00:27:27,049 --> 00:27:23,639
that's right yes I think that's made

519
00:27:30,369 --> 00:27:27,059
such headway and you know David flavor

520
00:27:33,109 --> 00:27:30,379
some people have said a couple things

521
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:33,119
lately since he was on Joe Rogan

522
00:27:39,349 --> 00:27:36,570
recently but I think I I think there's

523
00:27:42,169 --> 00:27:39,359
absolutely no doubt about the quality of

524
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,179
the witness that he is and I think it

525
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,159
has definitely made made a difference

526
00:27:49,340 --> 00:27:47,039
and I would say that's myself I'd said

527
00:27:52,849 --> 00:27:49,350
it's one of the top cases just because

528
00:27:56,989 --> 00:27:52,859
of you know what what has happened with

529
00:27:58,970 --> 00:27:56,999
that you know with it just seems to have

530
00:28:00,200 --> 00:27:58,980
moved things forward a bit and I don't

531
00:28:02,930 --> 00:28:00,210
know if that's you've probably seen

532
00:28:07,580 --> 00:28:02,940
things move forward many times in your

533
00:28:10,129 --> 00:28:07,590
long career looking into this and do you

534
00:28:13,129 --> 00:28:10,139
have hopes I mean I don't think that's a

535
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:13,139
disclosure so to say but it just seems

536
00:28:20,930 --> 00:28:17,369
more acceptable you know what what in a

537
00:28:24,049 --> 00:28:20,940
way of his ironic is the UFO community

538
00:28:30,769 --> 00:28:24,059
has said this is great progress because

539
00:28:35,539 --> 00:28:30,779
Navy has requested testing more

540
00:28:40,220 --> 00:28:35,549
testimony and they are re reinstating

541
00:28:42,409 --> 00:28:40,230
the reporting well yes you know I

542
00:28:44,629 --> 00:28:42,419
remember the days working with dr. Hynek

543
00:28:47,629 --> 00:28:44,639
on the project Bluebook sites there were

544
00:28:52,940 --> 00:28:47,639
hundreds of reports from the Navy the

545
00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:52,950
Navy had a reporting sequence you know

546
00:29:00,560 --> 00:28:56,609
reporting regulation that was parallel

547
00:29:02,210 --> 00:29:00,570
to Janet and to the other regulations of

548
00:29:05,060 --> 00:29:02,220
the of the Air Force and they were

549
00:29:08,659 --> 00:29:05,070
reporting into Project Blue Book the Air

550
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:08,669
Force was the point of contact for all

551
00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:13,049
the armed forces and so I remember going

552
00:29:17,810 --> 00:29:15,720
through and the number of cases from the

553
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:17,820
Navy when I built the database for

554
00:29:25,250 --> 00:29:19,290
Project Blue Book

555
00:29:27,140 --> 00:29:25,260
and the then they close down project

556
00:29:30,050 --> 00:29:27,150
Bluebook and the Navy went its own way

557
00:29:32,750 --> 00:29:30,060
not gathering those cases anymore

558
00:29:35,030 --> 00:29:32,760
and now they are reinstating the the

559
00:29:39,050 --> 00:29:35,040
same protocol that doesn't mean

560
00:29:42,020 --> 00:29:39,060
necessarily a recognition of that these

561
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:42,030
things are unexplained it means a

562
00:29:47,930 --> 00:29:45,840
recognition that we want to track they

563
00:29:49,580 --> 00:29:47,940
want to track those things that also

564
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:49,590
means they are not going to be made

565
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:52,710
public so I think it's a reverse of what

566
00:29:59,030 --> 00:29:56,240
the UFO community is expecting

567
00:29:59,570 --> 00:29:59,040
absolutely guess what we have Allen on

568
00:30:16,420 --> 00:29:59,580
the line

569
00:30:27,860 --> 00:30:18,560
let's just do the rest of the show in

570
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:27,870
Spanish I will let you talk to Allen

571
00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:31,050
there I know you're eager to talk to him

572
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:34,710
and get his side of the story well I'll

573
00:30:38,030 --> 00:30:36,480
tell you it's been a real pleasure thank

574
00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:38,040
you so much I really appreciate it

575
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:40,020
because I've been told today that you

576
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,330
don't go on too many shows and it's just

577
00:30:47,390 --> 00:30:44,880
I feel really honored and I thank you

578
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:47,400
this movie is exceptional

579
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:50,010
yes all right thank you very much all

580
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:53,970
right you take care bye thank you

581
00:31:02,210 --> 00:30:58,410
all right Allen so let me let's see so

582
00:31:04,550 --> 00:31:02,220
you are a filmmaker and I think you know

583
00:31:06,620 --> 00:31:04,560
watching this film I was saying I think

584
00:31:12,020 --> 00:31:06,630
it was it's it was a very good film and

585
00:31:14,270 --> 00:31:12,030
I was really glad that when Jacques you

586
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:14,280
contacted him and he said sure you know

587
00:31:18,490 --> 00:31:16,650
he got involved right away which is that

588
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:18,500
must have been really exciting for you

589
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:22,890
it was in dealing I was shooting but

590
00:31:28,490 --> 00:31:25,410
that time I think it was in the middle

591
00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:28,500
of the shooting of this movie and then I

592
00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:31,740
got this idea to write him and send him

593
00:31:35,630 --> 00:31:32,910
like a lead

594
00:31:36,830 --> 00:31:35,640
telling him about what we were doing

595
00:31:40,130 --> 00:31:36,840
with this film

596
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:40,140
what was the like the message behind

597
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:45,210
this story one Paris and I also told him

598
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:48,720
that one was not doing good he was

599
00:31:57,710 --> 00:31:53,760
feeling really lonely after the

600
00:32:03,020 --> 00:31:57,720
encounter that he had when he was 12 he

601
00:32:06,050 --> 00:32:03,030
got some like gifts or curse because he

602
00:32:08,350 --> 00:32:06,060
felt that the the premonition dreams

603
00:32:10,910 --> 00:32:08,360
that he had it was more like a curse

604
00:32:13,580 --> 00:32:10,920
instead of a gift and he was really

605
00:32:16,730 --> 00:32:13,590
suffering because of these consequences

606
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:16,740
that he had he also received mockery

607
00:32:24,740 --> 00:32:20,250
from his family from his relatives his

608
00:32:28,550 --> 00:32:24,750
friends and I didn't know that he will

609
00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:28,560
remember this case because a jack only

610
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:31,620
mentioned in two of his books in

611
00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:34,650
forbidden science and in confrontations

612
00:32:42,140 --> 00:32:38,910
but you know jack he read thousands and

613
00:32:46,460 --> 00:32:42,150
thousands of cases around the globe but

614
00:32:48,620 --> 00:32:46,470
I just gave that shot and I asked him to

615
00:32:50,050 --> 00:32:48,630
go to San Francisco and do this

616
00:32:53,210 --> 00:32:50,060
interview

617
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:53,220
jack is a very low profile person so I

618
00:33:00,290 --> 00:32:56,730
didn't want to interrupt his project I

619
00:33:03,470 --> 00:33:00,300
just want to have his opinion about the

620
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:03,480
case and that's it and he gave me the

621
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:06,690
idea to go to Argentina to stay with one

622
00:33:13,610 --> 00:33:10,080
to try to help him and for me it was one

623
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:13,620
of the most important gift in my life

624
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:17,610
and the movie changed completely when he

625
00:33:24,890 --> 00:33:21,810
appeared so it was a truly pleasure to

626
00:33:27,020 --> 00:33:24,900
have only to have him on board you know

627
00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:27,030
I I totally get that it must have been

628
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:30,360
quite amazing so we are going to go into

629
00:33:35,210 --> 00:33:33,120
a break so hang on everyone we'll be

630
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:35,220
right back right after these messages

631
00:33:40,730 --> 00:33:37,890
and over on YouTube we are going to go

632
00:33:42,260 --> 00:33:40,740
into a break there as well and just to

633
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,270
straighten something out we'll be right

634
00:33:46,410 --> 00:33:45,120
back at you I'll come back to the show

635
00:33:49,710 --> 00:33:46,420
I'm Martin will assure ho

636
00:33:52,860 --> 00:33:49,720
and that was wonderful to have a shock

637
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:52,870
valet on and now my guest is Alan

638
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:55,110
Dillman and we're gonna be talking about

639
00:34:02,210 --> 00:33:58,960
his very interesting movie I highly

640
00:34:03,660 --> 00:34:02,220
recommend it a witness of another world

641
00:34:06,690 --> 00:34:03,670
welcome back

642
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:06,700
Alan and I think they are you lurking we

643
00:34:11,130 --> 00:34:08,890
get Charles straightened out there is a

644
00:34:13,350 --> 00:34:11,140
little delay on we can't figure out how

645
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:13,360
to fix that on the video but the people

646
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:15,130
in YouTube will just have to suffer with

647
00:34:19,950 --> 00:34:17,169
that it's no problem at all you are in

648
00:34:23,340 --> 00:34:19,960
Spain right yes I mean Spain and

649
00:34:24,990 --> 00:34:23,350
civilian the south of Spain ah so we're

650
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:25,000
talking to you kind of in the middle of

651
00:34:30,180 --> 00:34:27,730
the night that's yes that's the one

652
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:30,190
bummer of doing the the live shows this

653
00:34:35,610 --> 00:34:33,280
is what some people will will have to

654
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:35,620
put up with so I want to ask you we'll

655
00:34:39,690 --> 00:34:37,330
get right back into the movie here in a

656
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:39,700
minute but I also want to ask you what

657
00:34:45,419 --> 00:34:43,210
got you interested in you know exploring

658
00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:45,429
this topic because I saw in the movie

659
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:48,310
you had yourself a collection of UFO

660
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:51,330
books going you know back pretty much

661
00:34:56,060 --> 00:34:52,570
yes

662
00:35:03,470 --> 00:34:56,070
well the the background of this story

663
00:35:06,510 --> 00:35:03,480
it's when I was writing a script in 2013

664
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:06,520
but that time I was doing automatic

665
00:35:11,790 --> 00:35:09,490
writing and then I realized that I was

666
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:11,800
writing a story about an abduction a

667
00:35:18,690 --> 00:35:15,310
couple that was abducted by some

668
00:35:21,110 --> 00:35:18,700
entities and then I start to say like

669
00:35:25,170 --> 00:35:21,120
while I was writing this kind of story

670
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:25,180
because I never research or investigate

671
00:35:32,850 --> 00:35:28,960
about UFO I didn't buy that time I did

672
00:35:36,660 --> 00:35:32,860
not know anything about UFO or aliens my

673
00:35:39,330 --> 00:35:36,670
mainly subject was archaeology the

674
00:35:42,210 --> 00:35:39,340
search of a lost civilization unseen

675
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:42,220
civilizations and that's it and what is

676
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:46,960
Billa worth for 10 years I was searching

677
00:35:55,620 --> 00:35:51,970
on these topics and then I started to I

678
00:35:58,010 --> 00:35:55,630
stopped the writing after 30 pages and

679
00:35:59,099 --> 00:35:58,020
then I started to read and read about

680
00:36:05,009 --> 00:35:59,109
abduction

681
00:36:07,099 --> 00:36:05,019
from John Mack and I also bought a book

682
00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:07,109
from a psychiatrist and a psychologist

683
00:36:14,910 --> 00:36:10,630
from Argentina it's a it's a book about

684
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:14,920
cases a duction cases from Argentina's

685
00:36:22,650 --> 00:36:18,640
mainly and one of the chapters it's

686
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:22,660
about the one first case and the funny

687
00:36:27,930 --> 00:36:24,970
thing happened when I was presenting my

688
00:36:30,029 --> 00:36:27,940
previous movie mono in rosario city

689
00:36:34,289 --> 00:36:30,039
it's a city four hours away from where

690
00:36:36,210 --> 00:36:34,299
cyrus when i was presenting my my movie

691
00:36:39,779 --> 00:36:36,220
there while i was talking to the

692
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:39,789
audience I was having the book of the

693
00:36:47,489 --> 00:36:42,210
abductions from Argentina in my hand and

694
00:36:51,029 --> 00:36:47,499
in the audience was the author of this

695
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:51,039
book and he couldn't he couldn't believe

696
00:36:56,370 --> 00:36:52,839
that I was having his book because it

697
00:36:59,210 --> 00:36:56,380
was sold out fifteen years ago and then

698
00:37:02,849 --> 00:36:59,220
he approached to me and said this is not

699
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:02,859
by chance this is a big synchronicity we

700
00:37:07,859 --> 00:37:04,690
have to meet each other let's go to

701
00:37:12,059 --> 00:37:07,869
lunch the next day so while we were

702
00:37:14,759 --> 00:37:12,069
eating pizza he starting he started to

703
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:14,769
tell me about the one of the most

704
00:37:20,579 --> 00:37:17,200
insignificant case for him that it was

705
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:20,589
the ones first case and he showed me a

706
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:25,119
small video of one talking to an

707
00:37:30,269 --> 00:37:27,970
audience while when he was 18 years old

708
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:30,279
it's in the movies in the beginning of

709
00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:33,970
the movie this this footage and and you

710
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:37,630
see a Quan trying to explain what what

711
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:40,720
he lived when he was 12 and he couldn't

712
00:37:45,809 --> 00:37:42,609
explain to this audience what happened

713
00:37:48,809 --> 00:37:45,819
to him he grabs his hand his head and

714
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:48,819
said something like you won't believe me

715
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:51,609
and then I realized that I was seeing

716
00:37:58,109 --> 00:37:54,880
for the first time someone who who

717
00:38:00,569 --> 00:37:58,119
witnessed something supernatural and he

718
00:38:04,979 --> 00:38:00,579
wasn't able to explain it for me it was

719
00:38:08,930 --> 00:38:04,989
a magical moment because I never but I

720
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:08,940
never meet someone who witnesses

721
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:12,330
something supernatural or a contact

722
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:15,330
it was my first time so immediately

723
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:19,650
after I saw that video I I told to tune

724
00:38:25,220 --> 00:38:22,170
dr. nester Burlando that I want to meet

725
00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:25,230
that person that I I really need to meet

726
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:27,720
that person I don't know why but I have

727
00:38:34,010 --> 00:38:31,410
to do it and four months later I went to

728
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:34,020
the countryside with dr. Nestor Rwanda

729
00:38:40,250 --> 00:38:36,690
I met one it was one of the most

730
00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:40,260
significant meetings that I ever had it

731
00:38:45,020 --> 00:38:41,640
was truly powerful

732
00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:45,030
I tried by that time I I wanted to make

733
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:47,700
a short film about an abduction case and

734
00:38:53,180 --> 00:38:50,310
then I took the case of one as an

735
00:38:57,620 --> 00:38:53,190
example of that but then while I was

736
00:39:00,560 --> 00:38:57,630
shooting he started to to talk to

737
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:00,570
explain to me the the case that he said

738
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:04,530
and then he started to cry he broke hoes

739
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:07,440
he was really suffering while he was

740
00:39:13,130 --> 00:39:10,530
explaining to me what he saw and then I

741
00:39:15,830 --> 00:39:13,140
stopped stopped my camera I couldn't do

742
00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:15,840
it I couldn't record anymore then I sit

743
00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:20,310
I sat down next to him and tried to just

744
00:39:26,990 --> 00:39:23,910
to listen and three years later we did

745
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:27,000
this movie in order to to get answers to

746
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:31,890
took one well that is amazing so just by

747
00:39:36,740 --> 00:39:33,650
your patience and your understanding

748
00:39:39,350 --> 00:39:36,750
this is how you were able to do that

749
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:39,360
because I know somewhere in the movie

750
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:41,490
you say something like you're trying to

751
00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:44,370
find the time to speak to him about this

752
00:39:48,020 --> 00:39:45,900
you know first you're like you know

753
00:39:50,270 --> 00:39:48,030
getting to know him and all that and

754
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:50,280
just a quick question just came to mind

755
00:39:55,060 --> 00:39:52,170
it's kind of off the subject a little

756
00:39:57,820 --> 00:39:55,070
bit but that is such a remote place

757
00:40:01,520 --> 00:39:57,830
where an earth did you did you stay

758
00:40:03,620 --> 00:40:01,530
somewhere near there no no no we stay in

759
00:40:05,300 --> 00:40:03,630
the house you stayed in the house isn't

760
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:05,310
that amazing yeah yeah what an

761
00:40:12,380 --> 00:40:09,810
experience that must have been so the

762
00:40:16,190 --> 00:40:12,390
first to date it was really hard because

763
00:40:18,260 --> 00:40:16,200
it was yeah it was really wet the house

764
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:18,270
was really wet it was hard to breathe

765
00:40:25,460 --> 00:40:21,510
during the nights but it was quite

766
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:25,470
amazing it was really for me

767
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:28,410
I stayed with with one but the whole

768
00:40:36,770 --> 00:40:32,160
crew was with me the sound operator the

769
00:40:39,980 --> 00:40:36,780
cameraman the producer it was really if

770
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:39,990
we were cooking we we cooked together we

771
00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:43,680
cling together it was a truly wonderful

772
00:40:49,700 --> 00:40:46,680
experience for all of us it was the best

773
00:40:53,089 --> 00:40:49,710
way to try to get this kind of portrait

774
00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:53,099
because the movie tries to portray the

775
00:41:00,319 --> 00:40:56,940
soul of a suffering man but as the the

776
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:00,329
tricky part is that he suffered he's

777
00:41:07,130 --> 00:41:03,210
suffering from a supernatural trauma

778
00:41:09,770 --> 00:41:07,140
that it's not really common that's right

779
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:09,780
and I think that is portrayed very well

780
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:13,890
in the film how you capture all that do

781
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:16,170
you the one thing I'm sure that people I

782
00:41:19,309 --> 00:41:17,280
haven't looked in the chat room or

783
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:19,319
anything but I'm sure people are curious

784
00:41:25,849 --> 00:41:23,250
about his sighting and can you explain

785
00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:25,859
you know what he he claims he saw I mean

786
00:41:32,420 --> 00:41:27,960
you you do show that in the film and

787
00:41:34,910 --> 00:41:32,430
it's really quite extraordinary well I

788
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:34,920
think Jack told you a little bit about

789
00:41:40,339 --> 00:41:37,890
the case I would try to summarize it it

790
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:40,349
was early in the morning six o'clock in

791
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:45,359
the morning as he usually used to to do

792
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:48,240
is before to go to the school he went he

793
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:51,930
goes to the to the farm and he got he

794
00:42:00,859 --> 00:41:57,119
went to find the herd of horses he he

795
00:42:04,579 --> 00:42:00,869
got into his horse comet that was the

796
00:42:10,210 --> 00:42:04,589
name of his horse and then while he was

797
00:42:17,089 --> 00:42:10,220
riding he crossed a big bank of fog and

798
00:42:21,319 --> 00:42:17,099
then after that he saw a white white

799
00:42:25,309 --> 00:42:21,329
object round it that was landing on the

800
00:42:28,339 --> 00:42:25,319
on the earth on the ground if you if you

801
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:28,349
read if you read the original report you

802
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:30,510
will see that one was describing

803
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:34,290
something similar to a tractor or to a

804
00:42:39,140 --> 00:42:37,890
house for workers from the farm he never

805
00:42:44,029 --> 00:42:39,150
used

806
00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:44,039
the word UFO or shape or spacecraft he

807
00:42:51,289 --> 00:42:47,400
only used the word tractor because his

808
00:42:55,489 --> 00:42:51,299
mind his conscious was only used to see

809
00:42:58,420 --> 00:42:55,499
a object similar now it used to see

810
00:43:02,779 --> 00:42:58,430
objects from the farm from his culture

811
00:43:05,329 --> 00:43:02,789
he never saw them I don't know a close

812
00:43:09,769 --> 00:43:05,339
encounter for this from the Third Kind

813
00:43:12,109 --> 00:43:09,779
or UFO movies he was a really simple man

814
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,119
from the countryside living with his

815
00:43:19,069 --> 00:43:14,880
family so his description was he was

816
00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:19,079
seeing a white rounded object that was

817
00:43:25,549 --> 00:43:21,900
landed on the earth a door open it and

818
00:43:28,999 --> 00:43:25,559
he saw a tall beam from around 2 meters

819
00:43:32,349 --> 00:43:29,009
and a half or 3 meters that was inviting

820
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:32,359
him to to climb up and enter to this

821
00:43:44,089 --> 00:43:40,890
object let's say a ship a ladder a how

822
00:43:48,170 --> 00:43:44,099
do I say like goes down into the into

823
00:43:52,549 --> 00:43:48,180
the ground and then one climbs up and

824
00:43:56,509 --> 00:43:52,559
when his II when he entered into the

825
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:56,519
shape what he saw like excuse me laughs

826
00:44:03,079 --> 00:44:00,480
don't worry in the left side there was a

827
00:44:06,759 --> 00:44:03,089
small being like a metre and a half and

828
00:44:11,329 --> 00:44:06,769
he was cutting meat on a table the

829
00:44:15,799 --> 00:44:11,339
detail was that they this meat it didn't

830
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:15,809
have blood around around it and in the

831
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:18,890
right side there was a toe distal being

832
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:20,970
from three meters

833
00:44:28,670 --> 00:44:24,210
he was like looking into different

834
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:28,680
monitors and using something similar to

835
00:44:35,299 --> 00:44:31,650
a keyboard but without buttons it was

836
00:44:39,799 --> 00:44:35,309
like a keyboard from like an iPad for

837
00:44:43,059 --> 00:44:39,809
example another big detail was that in

838
00:44:47,299 --> 00:44:43,069
front of one there was like a wall a

839
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:47,309
transparent wall or a mirror like a lead

840
00:44:51,220 --> 00:44:50,249
something like an electromagnetic field

841
00:44:55,870 --> 00:44:51,230
the

842
00:44:59,620 --> 00:44:55,880
was that did it and loud to want to

843
00:45:02,730 --> 00:44:59,630
enter to the other side of the room it

844
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:02,740
it was impossible for him to cross it

845
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:08,089
but the little one could go from one

846
00:45:16,420 --> 00:45:11,089
side to the other without any kind of

847
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:16,430
issues then one gets off baby ship

848
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:18,530
because he was really afraid from his

849
00:45:24,730 --> 00:45:21,440
father because he was really strict very

850
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:24,740
severe and then he realized that his

851
00:45:31,650 --> 00:45:27,890
horse was really injured because he was

852
00:45:36,270 --> 00:45:31,660
kicking to the lather and he was really

853
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:36,280
suffering and then the troll being a

854
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:41,440
comes down to the to where one was and

855
00:45:49,420 --> 00:45:45,440
one asked this doll being for help

856
00:45:52,540 --> 00:45:49,430
because his horse was really injured now

857
00:45:56,970 --> 00:45:52,550
I want to stop this narrative because

858
00:46:01,839 --> 00:45:56,980
two things happen in the original report

859
00:46:05,309 --> 00:46:01,849
one goes back to his house but before

860
00:46:11,650 --> 00:46:05,319
that the toll being started to squeeze

861
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:11,660
the right arm of one one now he has a

862
00:46:22,140 --> 00:46:15,920
mark that was part of the initial

863
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:22,150
contact from the stopping after that the

864
00:46:29,170 --> 00:46:25,490
distal being gave to one one of his

865
00:46:32,829 --> 00:46:29,180
gloves as a gift because they told being

866
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:32,839
told want to to get this as a gift in

867
00:46:38,579 --> 00:46:35,599
order to others to believe him that this

868
00:46:41,650 --> 00:46:38,589
was true this contact was true but a

869
00:46:46,270 --> 00:46:41,660
hundred meters before he could arrive to

870
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:46,280
his home three lights goes off the this

871
00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:50,450
shape and took that a took though that

872
00:46:58,990 --> 00:46:55,790
glove and yet they took it away but this

873
00:47:01,390 --> 00:46:59,000
scene is not part of the movie why when

874
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:01,400
we were while while we were doing the

875
00:47:05,380 --> 00:47:04,160
regression to one after two hours of

876
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:05,390
regret

877
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:11,810
a lost memory popped up when while he

878
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:16,010
was like having this while the stall

879
00:47:22,780 --> 00:47:19,910
being was squeezing the arm of one one

880
00:47:25,900 --> 00:47:22,790
started to have something similar to a

881
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:25,910
vision I don't I don't want to say that

882
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:28,310
he traveled while he was having this

883
00:47:33,420 --> 00:47:30,050
vision because we don't know that that

884
00:47:37,089 --> 00:47:33,430
he had a vision a very strange vision

885
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:37,099
and after that he started to cried and

886
00:47:42,460 --> 00:47:39,200
cried a lot it was very emotional for

887
00:47:47,380 --> 00:47:42,470
him and for all for the rest of us also

888
00:47:50,740 --> 00:47:47,390
and we had to cut it because it was it

889
00:47:53,260 --> 00:47:50,750
was very powerful and we were doing two

890
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:53,270
hours of that regression so I want to

891
00:48:00,730 --> 00:47:57,170
stop here and and try to not make more

892
00:48:03,820 --> 00:48:00,740
spoilers but that was what happened to

893
00:48:06,490 --> 00:48:03,830
one it was not so much traumatic the

894
00:48:08,620 --> 00:48:06,500
experience was not dramatic because he

895
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:08,630
entered voluntarily

896
00:48:15,579 --> 00:48:12,170
to the achieve it was not technical it

897
00:48:19,859 --> 00:48:15,589
was not an abduction technically it was

898
00:48:24,190 --> 00:48:19,869
he entered like by his knowledge

899
00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:24,200
voluntarily mm-hmm I think you put that

900
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:26,510
across pretty well on the movie he

901
00:48:30,460 --> 00:48:27,680
climbs up the ladder

902
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:30,470
yeah himself and you know goes right in

903
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:33,770
and I don't know if I'd have the courage

904
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:35,930
to do something like that especially at

905
00:48:45,820 --> 00:48:41,650
that young age so you're saying that he

906
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:45,830
has not obviously has not watched TV

907
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:48,160
first of all he's never watched TV or

908
00:48:54,339 --> 00:48:52,130
seen any type of UFO movie or anything

909
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,349
along those lines or probably not even

910
00:48:57,070 --> 00:48:56,480
talked about nothing in magazines things

911
00:48:58,960 --> 00:48:57,080
like that

912
00:49:04,150 --> 00:48:58,970
and you said that he was thinking it was

913
00:49:05,710 --> 00:49:04,160
a tractor what made him you know he must

914
00:49:09,130 --> 00:49:05,720
have thought there was so much more to

915
00:49:10,930 --> 00:49:09,140
it so what did he do when he got home

916
00:49:13,710 --> 00:49:10,940
that part's not really talked about in

917
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:13,720
the movie when he got home to his family

918
00:49:22,070 --> 00:49:18,570
how did he proceed and now

919
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:22,080
he tried to explain to his family what

920
00:49:28,550 --> 00:49:26,730
he saw but no one believed him it was

921
00:49:33,620 --> 00:49:28,560
really difficult for him because he was

922
00:49:38,090 --> 00:49:33,630
a really shy guy and it was hard to him

923
00:49:41,330 --> 00:49:38,100
to explain but no one believed him so

924
00:49:45,820 --> 00:49:41,340
after that he started to go inside more

925
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:45,830
and more and not to talk and I think

926
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:50,880
while when he was 17 around that age he

927
00:50:00,380 --> 00:49:56,400
left his home and start to work from on

928
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:00,390
different agendas and ranges all across

929
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:05,130
the country now at the very end of the

930
00:50:10,070 --> 00:50:08,970
film shows him on on a jet basically

931
00:50:15,740 --> 00:50:10,080
going

932
00:50:16,370 --> 00:50:15,750
actually what he was doing at the end of

933
00:50:23,420 --> 00:50:16,380
the movie

934
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:23,430
a jet oh no it's well it's in a way he's

935
00:50:31,690 --> 00:50:27,450
going home but it's like a metaphor

936
00:50:37,370 --> 00:50:31,700
because he's you as you saw in the movie

937
00:50:41,390 --> 00:50:37,380
we we tried to connect one to his roots

938
00:50:45,170 --> 00:50:41,400
to his ancestors I see because yeah

939
00:50:49,220 --> 00:50:45,180
because one has an indigenous lineage

940
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:49,230
that was cut off when his grandfather

941
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:52,170
died when he's run for the passes passed

942
00:50:59,960 --> 00:50:56,490
away so one of the questions that I had

943
00:51:03,320 --> 00:50:59,970
while I was doing this this project was

944
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:03,330
if there is a connection between the

945
00:51:11,380 --> 00:51:07,170
lineage of these contactees and the UFO

946
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:11,390
phenomenon because in the one of the

947
00:51:20,510 --> 00:51:14,850
background story of this of this movie

948
00:51:24,050 --> 00:51:20,520
is that when I met his mother she

949
00:51:27,110 --> 00:51:24,060
confessed to me and only to me even Quan

950
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:27,120
didn't know that about the secret she

951
00:51:30,590 --> 00:51:29,970
also was a contact II when she was a

952
00:51:32,060 --> 00:51:30,600
teenager

953
00:51:35,210 --> 00:51:32,070
Wow

954
00:51:37,540 --> 00:51:35,220
but but that time I didn't know what to

955
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:37,550
do with that information it was really

956
00:51:45,050 --> 00:51:41,520
what she told me was really very

957
00:51:46,910 --> 00:51:45,060
intimate and very dark in a way because

958
00:51:51,850 --> 00:51:46,920
she was really suffering because she

959
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:51,860
thought but that time that one will be a

960
00:51:58,340 --> 00:51:55,530
like will be kidnapped by this entity

961
00:52:01,580 --> 00:51:58,350
because what she she always mentioned to

962
00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:01,590
me that one was marked she was referring

963
00:52:09,890 --> 00:52:04,980
to the mark that one had in his in his

964
00:52:13,580 --> 00:52:09,900
arm so I tried to say to her just don't

965
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:13,590
worry I just I am coming here in order

966
00:52:18,050 --> 00:52:16,050
to help you to help one to give a

967
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:18,060
message to the world because there are

968
00:52:23,150 --> 00:52:20,490
plenty of one Paris in the world not

969
00:52:26,930 --> 00:52:23,160
knowing what is happening in their life

970
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:26,940
and that's the only word that come

971
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:29,160
across my mind in order to try to come

972
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:33,720
to conquer and I think that confession

973
00:52:41,060 --> 00:52:37,650
was so powerful to me that it was my the

974
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:41,070
fuel to do this movie because I needed

975
00:52:45,380 --> 00:52:43,200
to understand what happened to want what

976
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:45,390
happened to his mother and one of the

977
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:48,330
most beautiful things that happened with

978
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:51,450
this movie was that while we were

979
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:53,970
presenting the movie in his hometown in

980
00:53:00,530 --> 00:52:56,370
the cinema of Bernard worth of his

981
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:00,540
hometown the half of the cinema was the

982
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:04,800
relative of one Wow so after the movie

983
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:08,730
ends the whole family was crying a lot

984
00:53:17,420 --> 00:53:13,770
and I saw he his sister's his brothers

985
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:17,430
saying to him like I'm so sorry brother

986
00:53:24,050 --> 00:53:20,850
now I understand you and so sorry

987
00:53:27,170 --> 00:53:24,060
I was so stupid so sorry now I

988
00:53:29,930 --> 00:53:27,180
understand why like why why you were so

989
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:29,940
lonely while you were suffering now I

990
00:53:36,020 --> 00:53:32,610
understand and what happened with his

991
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:36,030
mother was that she confessed to one

992
00:53:45,100 --> 00:53:39,810
that she was also a contactee that she

993
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:45,110
suffered the same as one the

994
00:53:52,020 --> 00:53:49,130
and it was a really special conversation

995
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:52,030
conversation before because a healing

996
00:54:03,040 --> 00:53:56,800
process was spontaneous spontaneously

997
00:54:06,910 --> 00:54:03,050
like thanks to the process of of this

998
00:54:10,750 --> 00:54:06,920
movie a person healed a family healed

999
00:54:16,060 --> 00:54:10,760
and a whole community heal so it was wow

1000
00:54:18,850 --> 00:54:16,070
I was really honored by witnessing this

1001
00:54:23,290 --> 00:54:18,860
this thing it was something that I I

1002
00:54:25,540 --> 00:54:23,300
wasn't expecting to to to see wow that

1003
00:54:27,340 --> 00:54:25,550
is amazing so we're right at the break

1004
00:54:29,710 --> 00:54:27,350
so we're going to go to break now and

1005
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:29,720
when we come back a little bit later in

1006
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:31,130
the show we're going to be taking calls

1007
00:54:36,910 --> 00:54:33,440
if anyone wants to call in I'll give the

1008
00:54:39,580 --> 00:54:36,920
number at that time and my guest right

1009
00:54:44,670 --> 00:54:39,590
now is Alan still movement civil man and

1010
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:46,930
all righty everyone welcome back to the

1011
00:54:52,420 --> 00:54:49,610
show my guest is Alan Silverman and

1012
00:54:55,240 --> 00:54:52,430
we're talking about his movie witness of

1013
00:54:58,600 --> 00:54:55,250
another world which features one a

1014
00:55:00,550 --> 00:54:58,610
gaucho that lives by himself in the

1015
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:00,560
middle of nowhere with his animals and

1016
00:55:06,750 --> 00:55:04,370
farm mostly because of an encounter that

1017
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:06,760
he had that made him want to isolate

1018
00:55:11,740 --> 00:55:09,290
before we get started in the show I just

1019
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:11,750
want to do a quick little shout out Lee

1020
00:55:16,450 --> 00:55:13,370
Spiegel I hope people are listening to

1021
00:55:18,430 --> 00:55:16,460
his show it's on kgr a radio every

1022
00:55:22,570 --> 00:55:18,440
Thursday night from 8:00 to 10:00 p.m.

1023
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:22,580
Eastern Standard Time so Lee I had the

1024
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:25,040
honor of going to Lee's wedding Lee

1025
00:55:30,010 --> 00:55:28,880
Spiegel and his now wife Lorraine out in

1026
00:55:32,410 --> 00:55:30,020
Long Island I got to hang out with

1027
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:32,420
Alejandro all weekend and Mark the

1028
00:55:37,570 --> 00:55:34,880
Antonio we had a we had a blast

1029
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:37,580
it was fun and just a lovely wedding and

1030
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:41,330
they are lovely people and I do want to

1031
00:55:45,310 --> 00:55:43,730
say that I probably would have had a

1032
00:55:48,190 --> 00:55:45,320
shock on the show if it wasn't for Lee

1033
00:55:49,810 --> 00:55:48,200
because they're good friends and I think

1034
00:55:52,270 --> 00:55:49,820
Lee may have put in a good word I'm not

1035
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:52,280
really sure but anyway I wanted to just

1036
00:55:57,100 --> 00:55:54,290
wish Lee and Lorraine a long and happy

1037
00:55:58,820 --> 00:55:57,110
life there are such a wonderful couple

1038
00:56:01,420 --> 00:55:58,830
and that's it

1039
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:01,430
we are back with our guest tonight Alan

1040
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:06,090
Alan so this whole thing that you were

1041
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:08,570
talking about in the the village and

1042
00:56:18,290 --> 00:56:16,050
also one's mother it seemed to I'm just

1043
00:56:22,670 --> 00:56:18,300
kind of piecing together that if nothing

1044
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:22,680
else this made all your hard work worth

1045
00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:25,050
it is that what you would say just you

1046
00:56:32,780 --> 00:56:27,510
know with the the conclusion at the end

1047
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:32,790
basically yes I think it it's totally

1048
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:36,450
worth it because I had two options while

1049
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:39,810
I was doing this this project at the end

1050
00:56:48,940 --> 00:56:43,650
of the script one of the intentions of

1051
00:56:53,060 --> 00:56:48,950
the movie was trying to to show a movie

1052
00:56:55,310 --> 00:56:53,070
in new theories about the UFO phenomenon

1053
00:56:58,670 --> 00:56:55,320
for example the theories of dr. Jack

1054
00:57:01,970 --> 00:56:58,680
ballet about the interdimensional aspect

1055
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:01,980
of the phenomenon it was it will it was

1056
00:57:08,359 --> 00:57:04,770
going to be a documentary about more

1057
00:57:10,990 --> 00:57:08,369
about the UFO phenomena rather than the

1058
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:11,000
witness aspect of the phenomena but then

1059
00:57:22,340 --> 00:57:17,250
when I saw all of the details that that

1060
00:57:26,690 --> 00:57:22,350
this case has and after dealing with the

1061
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:26,700
suffering of one all my effort went to

1062
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:29,760
try to get answers to want to try to

1063
00:57:38,930 --> 00:57:34,650
help him to make more try to relief that

1064
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:38,940
man and it totally worth it because the

1065
00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:43,920
results of that journey was really

1066
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:48,510
amazing I met three shamans I met dr.

1067
00:57:54,980 --> 00:57:49,440
Jack ballet

1068
00:57:58,370 --> 00:57:54,990
I met dr. Nestor Burlando and the whole

1069
00:58:01,640 --> 00:57:58,380
people were like in the same path we all

1070
00:58:04,550 --> 00:58:01,650
wanted to make a better living for one

1071
00:58:07,970 --> 00:58:04,560
and all the conclusions were thanks to

1072
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:07,980
him because no one told him that for

1073
00:58:15,770 --> 00:58:12,210
example one what you saw was a

1074
00:58:19,130 --> 00:58:15,780
or Jubilee what you saw was B etc no one

1075
00:58:22,670 --> 00:58:19,140
told him it as you saw in the movie it's

1076
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:22,680
Anna it's an open movie because we don't

1077
00:58:29,180 --> 00:58:25,650
want to get some straight answers for

1078
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:29,190
this phenomena but what we took was the

1079
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:32,910
human aspect that the phenomenon has and

1080
00:58:40,190 --> 00:58:35,609
it's not well portrayed in the movies

1081
00:58:44,329 --> 00:58:40,200
because we only focus on the on the what

1082
00:58:50,089 --> 00:58:44,339
the witnesses saw and that's it and I

1083
00:58:52,250 --> 00:58:50,099
wanted to go more deep into the question

1084
00:58:56,030 --> 00:58:52,260
that if there is a relationship between

1085
00:59:01,150 --> 00:58:56,040
our consciousness and the UFO phenomena

1086
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:01,160
I tried to to get evidence from that and

1087
00:59:09,980 --> 00:59:05,359
I think one was one of the most

1088
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:09,990
important person that could try to get

1089
00:59:17,390 --> 00:59:13,680
like could get answers for it because he

1090
00:59:20,450 --> 00:59:17,400
when he when he suffered this event he

1091
00:59:25,579 --> 00:59:20,460
was 12 years old he was very innocent he

1092
00:59:28,010 --> 00:59:25,589
was very pure he carried that suffering

1093
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:28,020
for more than four decades so it's a

1094
00:59:35,390 --> 00:59:31,680
long long time of of this kind of trauma

1095
00:59:41,060 --> 00:59:35,400
but one of the important thing that we

1096
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:41,070
noticed was that the event was not the

1097
00:59:46,370 --> 00:59:44,250
traumatic part for him because by the

1098
00:59:49,250 --> 00:59:46,380
time I thought that the experience was

1099
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:49,260
really powerful for him that he couldn't

1100
00:59:57,620 --> 00:59:54,240
deal but then the most terrible part was

1101
01:00:01,390 --> 00:59:57,630
the consequences that he had after the

1102
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:01,400
event after the contact and that was the

1103
01:00:05,780 --> 01:00:05,040
premonition dreams that was they I live

1104
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:05,790
in hell

1105
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:09,690
for him that was his truly night nur yes

1106
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:12,000
he would have this dream over and over

1107
01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:14,880
again basically every night every night

1108
01:00:20,930 --> 01:00:17,849
every night Oh Mike I didn't realize

1109
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:20,940
with every night oh yeah every night but

1110
01:00:25,310 --> 01:00:24,089
he tries he tried to stop that dream

1111
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:25,320
because he

1112
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:30,290
that if he go to sleep on his right arm

1113
01:00:40,130 --> 01:00:35,040
he will enter to this real dream but if

1114
01:00:45,140 --> 01:00:40,140
he dreams like looking to above his his

1115
01:00:47,770 --> 01:00:45,150
back or into under his left side he will

1116
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:47,780
have a regular dream he knows how to

1117
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:51,450
difference him and he told me that the

1118
01:00:57,530 --> 01:00:54,570
real dream is more real than our reality

1119
01:01:00,170 --> 01:00:57,540
he said like it's real it's more real

1120
01:01:04,370 --> 01:01:00,180
than than ours it's more real than the

1121
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:04,380
reality is the way that he got to try to

1122
01:01:10,670 --> 01:01:08,730
describe what he he felt well I am he

1123
01:01:13,850 --> 01:01:10,680
was having these dreams I've actually

1124
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:13,860
had a few dreams in my life that were

1125
01:01:19,730 --> 01:01:17,370
just so incredibly real like I just

1126
01:01:21,710 --> 01:01:19,740
believe that you know so I I sort of

1127
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:21,720
understand that one of the questions I

1128
01:01:27,890 --> 01:01:25,440
have for you as far as one's mother goes

1129
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:27,900
did she because she hadn't experienced

1130
01:01:33,470 --> 01:01:30,210
herself did she try to comfort him in in

1131
01:01:36,010 --> 01:01:33,480
any way or did she tell that something

1132
01:01:42,430 --> 01:01:36,020
wouldn't you think a mother would yeah

1133
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:42,440
but also she's a really special woman

1134
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:45,450
the he said her experience was so

1135
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:48,960
traumatic for her that she couldn't help

1136
01:01:56,030 --> 01:01:51,930
anyone for example there was a

1137
01:01:58,270 --> 01:01:56,040
particular thing on on her that she

1138
01:02:02,180 --> 01:01:58,280
doesn't want to be touched by anyone

1139
01:02:04,190 --> 01:02:02,190
even her kids and her children's and you

1140
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:04,200
said like it's really strange because a

1141
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:07,650
mother wants to be touched to receive a

1142
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:10,890
hug or whatever but she she didn't want

1143
01:02:21,380 --> 01:02:17,280
it but after we did this movie she

1144
01:02:23,810 --> 01:02:21,390
confessed to one why she had this

1145
01:02:24,380 --> 01:02:23,820
feeling that she doesn't want to be

1146
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:24,390
touched

1147
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:27,770
it's not because she was like evil or

1148
01:02:35,300 --> 01:02:31,440
something like that it's because that

1149
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:35,310
when she is touched by someone she

1150
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:38,880
receives information from the other one

1151
01:02:45,890 --> 01:02:41,970
or for example she saw she can see the

1152
01:02:49,100 --> 01:02:45,900
future she can see like if someone is

1153
01:02:54,620 --> 01:02:49,110
going to die oh the same that happened

1154
01:02:58,850 --> 01:02:54,630
to one when he dreamed so when he was 50

1155
01:03:02,410 --> 01:02:58,860
years old one get an and got an answer

1156
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:02,420
of something that was pretty common

1157
01:03:08,060 --> 01:03:06,000
because he thought that well my mother

1158
01:03:11,330 --> 01:03:08,070
doesn't want to be touched and that's it

1159
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:11,340
she's something she's a little bit crazy

1160
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:15,690
but now there is a very deep there is a

1161
01:03:22,670 --> 01:03:18,480
very deep meaning of why she doesn't

1162
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:22,680
want to be touched and now one got an

1163
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:26,490
answer and could understand her why she

1164
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:31,770
wasn't she why why he couldn't get

1165
01:03:39,260 --> 01:03:35,370
support from her because she was living

1166
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:39,270
in her she was living in a living hell

1167
01:03:47,500 --> 01:03:42,930
she was suffering a lot Wow do you think

1168
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:47,510
this has made them become closer yeah

1169
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:50,730
yes because now one is living with his

1170
01:03:58,520 --> 01:03:54,330
family no way yeah he recovered his

1171
01:04:02,410 --> 01:03:58,530
family it was now one is happy he

1172
01:04:06,500 --> 01:04:02,420
couldn't integrate his experience now he

1173
01:04:09,650 --> 01:04:06,510
understands why this is these things are

1174
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:09,660
happening to him in a way I don't know

1175
01:04:16,550 --> 01:04:13,200
what what is his conclusion but now he

1176
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:16,560
understands that he's not alone there is

1177
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:20,640
a whole tribe in Paraguay that that he

1178
01:04:27,530 --> 01:04:24,210
had the same dreams that he has so

1179
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:27,540
because but that time when he he thought

1180
01:04:34,970 --> 01:04:30,960
that he was the only one in the whole

1181
01:04:41,180 --> 01:04:34,980
world that suffered from this experience

1182
01:04:42,860 --> 01:04:41,190
he he is not the internet user he didn't

1183
01:04:45,620 --> 01:04:42,870
know that there are plenty of cases

1184
01:04:51,410 --> 01:04:45,630
around the globe he thought that he was

1185
01:04:52,970 --> 01:04:51,420
the only one so that's why he like lived

1186
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:52,980
as a monk

1187
01:04:59,230 --> 01:04:56,010
a refugee in the country South by

1188
01:05:03,800 --> 01:04:59,240
himself with his animals and that's it

1189
01:05:05,630 --> 01:05:03,810
well I guess this is just a case of that

1190
01:05:07,220 --> 01:05:05,640
it will show you when someone

1191
01:05:10,700 --> 01:05:07,230
experiences something like this without

1192
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:10,710
any support you know what happens to

1193
01:05:18,290 --> 01:05:13,890
them or can happen to their lives like

1194
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:18,300
this is what we would call PST PST D or

1195
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:20,730
something like that yes post yeah that's

1196
01:05:26,450 --> 01:05:23,730
my D yeah yeah so we had do you

1197
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:26,460
definitely had that you can see that and

1198
01:05:33,380 --> 01:05:28,770
you know just as soon as he talks about

1199
01:05:37,460 --> 01:05:33,390
it and anyway it's it's it's quite

1200
01:05:39,530 --> 01:05:37,470
amazing so let's see I wanted to

1201
01:05:42,859 --> 01:05:39,540
something I have forgotten to ask you

1202
01:05:46,550 --> 01:05:42,869
and that is where can someone see the

1203
01:05:50,570 --> 01:05:46,560
movie and when I never saw it it will be

1204
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:50,580
released next week on October 22nd it

1205
01:05:58,609 --> 01:05:53,970
will be live on multiple platforms such

1206
01:06:01,670 --> 01:05:58,619
as iTunes Amazon Google on our feet on

1207
01:06:04,670 --> 01:06:01,680
our official website you you can have

1208
01:06:09,140 --> 01:06:04,680
more information its witness of another

1209
01:06:12,140 --> 01:06:09,150
world calm and if you subscribe to our

1210
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:12,150
website you you would receive plenty of

1211
01:06:17,210 --> 01:06:14,970
information exclusive contents and I

1212
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:17,220
will let you know when this movie will

1213
01:06:25,849 --> 01:06:20,490
be live and other different platforms

1214
01:06:28,310 --> 01:06:25,859
that people can see this on well be male

1215
01:06:33,650 --> 01:06:28,320
for example it will be another one

1216
01:06:36,109 --> 01:06:33,660
I think Netflix will will we it will not

1217
01:06:38,810 --> 01:06:36,119
depends on us it will depend on Netflix

1218
01:06:41,420 --> 01:06:38,820
but we are trying to pitch them so

1219
01:06:44,300 --> 01:06:41,430
probably you can get some news in six

1220
01:06:45,950 --> 01:06:44,310
months oh okay Netflix would be nice

1221
01:06:50,810 --> 01:06:45,960
that would be really good exposure yeah

1222
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:50,820
and they seem to have a few shows like

1223
01:06:55,550 --> 01:06:52,650
this that are related to the not afraid

1224
01:06:56,900 --> 01:06:55,560
to step away you know stay away they're

1225
01:07:00,200 --> 01:06:56,910
not trying to stay away from these type

1226
01:07:02,900 --> 01:07:00,210
of topics it seems mmm you know yeah and

1227
01:07:06,860 --> 01:07:02,910
I I don't know I I think it's a great

1228
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:06,870
movie and have you like just

1229
01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:09,930
it's just gonna be your one-off or do

1230
01:07:15,020 --> 01:07:12,000
you think you may do another movie about

1231
01:07:18,500 --> 01:07:15,030
this topic at some point well I want to

1232
01:07:21,260 --> 01:07:18,510
make a TV series about witnesses from

1233
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:21,270
all over the globe and try to focus on

1234
01:07:28,490 --> 01:07:25,890
the human aspect of this subject it's

1235
01:07:31,220 --> 01:07:28,500
not up to me if I can find a production

1236
01:07:34,750 --> 01:07:31,230
company probably we will do it as soon

1237
01:07:39,620 --> 01:07:34,760
as possible but in the meantime I'm

1238
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:39,630
developing developing in the belly it's

1239
01:07:47,330 --> 01:07:43,680
a movie that it will be released I think

1240
01:07:47,870 --> 01:07:47,340
in three years because I'm still getting

1241
01:07:51,020 --> 01:07:47,880
funds

1242
01:07:53,900 --> 01:07:51,030
it's about this lost civilization and I

1243
01:07:59,090 --> 01:07:53,910
think it's there is a connection between

1244
01:08:02,900 --> 01:07:59,100
the UFO and the underworld we are going

1245
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:02,910
to to try to find evidence hardcore

1246
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:05,490
evidence about this lost civilization

1247
01:08:11,930 --> 01:08:08,880
that was settled in America thousands

1248
01:08:14,330 --> 01:08:11,940
and thousands years ago I know there

1249
01:08:15,860 --> 01:08:14,340
said there's a at one point you show

1250
01:08:19,610 --> 01:08:15,870
images on rocks

1251
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:19,620
those are always so intriguing that and

1252
01:08:27,710 --> 01:08:24,570
I know there's a lot of there's a lot in

1253
01:08:30,140 --> 01:08:27,720
Argentina and it's a pretty rich country

1254
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:30,150
as far as you know early civilizations

1255
01:08:39,740 --> 01:08:35,040
there are a lot of you know like so to

1256
01:08:43,820 --> 01:08:39,750
speak ancient alien you know folklore

1257
01:08:48,110 --> 01:08:43,830
and stuff in Argentina no not so much

1258
01:08:50,780 --> 01:08:48,120
mainly in Peru for examples in the Andes

1259
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:50,790
or in Bolivia because in Argentina there

1260
01:08:58,490 --> 01:08:54,000
is not so much culture in archaeology

1261
01:09:02,210 --> 01:08:58,500
it's a really brand-new country in those

1262
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:02,220
topics but I think in the near future we

1263
01:09:10,190 --> 01:09:05,040
will have new answers about the

1264
01:09:14,710 --> 01:09:10,200
ancestors in in a shanty mmmm

1265
01:09:17,410 --> 01:09:14,720
interesting I would like to be able to

1266
01:09:20,610 --> 01:09:17,420
take calls now are you up for that

1267
01:09:24,210 --> 01:09:20,620
yes sure okay be my first experience

1268
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:24,220
with that okay all right so I'm gonna

1269
01:09:28,740 --> 01:09:27,250
the numbers up on the screen for over

1270
01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:28,750
YouTube but for you

1271
01:09:36,450 --> 01:09:32,710
view over a kg are a radio the number is

1272
01:09:38,850 --> 01:09:36,460
eight five five four seven two five four

1273
01:09:41,550 --> 01:09:38,860
eight three and well welcome your call

1274
01:09:45,330 --> 01:09:41,560
if you'd like to if you'd like to call

1275
01:09:48,540 --> 01:09:45,340
in and ask our guest a question so in

1276
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:48,550
general what would you say the topic of

1277
01:09:58,590 --> 01:09:53,970
UFOs is has looked at in your country

1278
01:10:01,400 --> 01:09:58,600
hmm are you referring like what is the

1279
01:10:06,860 --> 01:10:01,410
opinion yes there's a general opinion of

1280
01:10:12,750 --> 01:10:06,870
well it's it's difficult because it is

1281
01:10:15,780 --> 01:10:12,760
no one I think generally speaking when I

1282
01:10:17,250 --> 01:10:15,790
talk about the subject with my family or

1283
01:10:20,850 --> 01:10:17,260
with my friends

1284
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:20,860
II they believe that there is something

1285
01:10:29,100 --> 01:10:24,970
else in the universe for sure but if we

1286
01:10:32,670 --> 01:10:29,110
come into the UFO aspect especially

1287
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:32,680
watch what the movie shows the subject

1288
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:36,850
or the TV news it's pretty funny

1289
01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:40,320
for them the the way that it's exposed

1290
01:10:47,220 --> 01:10:44,560
the the phenomenon so that's one of the

1291
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:47,230
reason why the witnesses in Argentina

1292
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:50,110
and I think in the whole world received

1293
01:10:58,890 --> 01:10:54,640
mockery from them because I think by the

1294
01:11:04,260 --> 01:10:58,900
way that the news or the movies shows

1295
01:11:09,180 --> 01:11:04,270
these portraits this phenomenon it's

1296
01:11:11,490 --> 01:11:09,190
more like they mock her from the from

1297
01:11:14,430 --> 01:11:11,500
for defendant from the phenomenon so

1298
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:14,440
that's why I tried to make a serious

1299
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:18,010
movie about this the human aspect the

1300
01:11:25,980 --> 01:11:21,010
consequences that real people are

1301
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:25,990
suffering from those event so but people

1302
01:11:33,570 --> 01:11:27,850
are from Argentina or South America are

1303
01:11:34,590 --> 01:11:33,580
quite skeptic on on this matter well you

1304
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:34,600
know when it comes to

1305
01:11:41,220 --> 01:11:38,410
chillie for instance they are taking the

1306
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:41,230
topic fairly seriously and you know they

1307
01:11:46,620 --> 01:11:43,210
have the government involved I've had

1308
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:46,630
Jose lay on the Jose lie on the show a

1309
01:11:52,350 --> 01:11:49,570
number of times and you know they

1310
01:11:55,710 --> 01:11:52,360
definitely are taking they have for many

1311
01:11:57,930 --> 01:11:55,720
years taking the topic seriously and a

1312
01:12:00,810 --> 01:11:57,940
few other you know there's also in

1313
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:00,820
France where Jacques yeah

1314
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:04,800
so hopefully that won't last forever

1315
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:08,290
because there's no denying that there's

1316
01:12:11,370 --> 01:12:09,850
something to this whatever it is who

1317
01:12:16,440 --> 01:12:11,380
knows but there's definitely something

1318
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:16,450
going on exactly and so if you

1319
01:12:21,180 --> 01:12:19,570
I understand how I don't think any no

1320
01:12:22,940 --> 01:12:21,190
not a lot of people really think about

1321
01:12:25,950 --> 01:12:22,950
this too much but I understand how it

1322
01:12:28,370 --> 01:12:25,960
how much money it costs to put together

1323
01:12:30,540 --> 01:12:28,380
these type of things like your movie and

1324
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:30,550
you know to get funding is very

1325
01:12:34,830 --> 01:12:32,370
different tricky and difficult is that

1326
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:34,840
even more difficult because of where you

1327
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:41,440
are with a hole yeah yeah well the last

1328
01:12:47,430 --> 01:12:44,560
year it was really a nightmare because

1329
01:12:52,440 --> 01:12:47,440
it was really hard to get a deal with

1330
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:52,450
this kind of movie and of course I'm

1331
01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:55,090
from Argentina from Latin America and

1332
01:13:00,780 --> 01:12:58,000
it's I think it's the first movie that

1333
01:13:03,660 --> 01:13:00,790
talks about the supernatural in Latin

1334
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:03,670
America so it's really hard to to get

1335
01:13:09,870 --> 01:13:06,880
deals around this kind of subject so I

1336
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:09,880
was really suffering last year because

1337
01:13:16,230 --> 01:13:12,850
it was it's a movie that cost us a lot

1338
01:13:20,130 --> 01:13:16,240
of money I get investors my family

1339
01:13:22,290 --> 01:13:20,140
friends and I I said to myself that it

1340
01:13:26,010 --> 01:13:22,300
will be my last movie I don't want I

1341
01:13:28,860 --> 01:13:26,020
want to quit films to do in film because

1342
01:13:31,290 --> 01:13:28,870
it's a real Sur roller coaster you know

1343
01:13:34,350 --> 01:13:31,300
it's it's nice when you do it it's nice

1344
01:13:37,620 --> 01:13:34,360
when you show us to show show it to to

1345
01:13:40,500 --> 01:13:37,630
people but when you when you try to get

1346
01:13:43,410 --> 01:13:40,510
sales and try to get some revenues and

1347
01:13:45,630 --> 01:13:43,420
recover all the money it's really hard

1348
01:13:48,330 --> 01:13:45,640
when you don't have the support from the

1349
01:13:51,090 --> 01:13:48,340
distributor's from the exhibitors

1350
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:51,100
but a few months ago we get a deal

1351
01:14:00,120 --> 01:13:56,530
within 1091 media formerly known as the

1352
01:14:04,100 --> 01:14:00,130
orchard we are yeah and we are really

1353
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:04,110
eager to see what happens with it movie

1354
01:14:11,100 --> 01:14:08,320
the results will be it will be just a

1355
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:11,110
surprise because we don't know what will

1356
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:14,170
happen with with the with the audience

1357
01:14:19,230 --> 01:14:16,570
if they will like it or not I think they

1358
01:14:21,870 --> 01:14:19,240
will love it but it's not up to me it

1359
01:14:24,450 --> 01:14:21,880
depends on on the market that's are they

1360
01:14:26,940 --> 01:14:24,460
the movie market it's really tough it's

1361
01:14:30,540 --> 01:14:26,950
really it's really really tough it's a

1362
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:30,550
dirty ground I talked to a lot of people

1363
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:34,690
that are have told me basically their

1364
01:14:41,940 --> 01:14:39,450
struggles so and in filmmaking and so

1365
01:14:44,580 --> 01:14:41,950
again the line is open that's eight five

1366
01:14:47,100 --> 01:14:44,590
five four seven two five for a three if

1367
01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:47,110
you'd like to give a call in it also if

1368
01:14:51,870 --> 01:14:49,450
you've had an experience that you want

1369
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:51,880
to talk about that's also you can bring

1370
01:14:59,760 --> 01:14:53,610
that up if you don't have an immediate

1371
01:15:02,610 --> 01:14:59,770
question for our guests so do you think

1372
01:15:06,270 --> 01:15:02,620
I mean you're saying that you're going

1373
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:06,280
to release the movie also in your your

1374
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:08,890
country basically so of course you have

1375
01:15:14,730 --> 01:15:12,370
a Spanish version of this and and you

1376
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:14,740
have you know the English version

1377
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:16,960
basically is what we're we're going to

1378
01:15:24,180 --> 01:15:21,120
be seeing here and so do you have

1379
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:24,190
different accesses - for instance to get

1380
01:15:29,580 --> 01:15:27,040
the movie out there in your own country

1381
01:15:33,420 --> 01:15:29,590
or are you just trying any any type of

1382
01:15:36,870 --> 01:15:33,430
venue basically no we will mainly focus

1383
01:15:40,830 --> 01:15:36,880
on the digital release of the movie

1384
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:40,840
because this a distribution company got

1385
01:15:48,270 --> 01:15:45,370
the rights for worldwide so the movie

1386
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:48,280
will be released the English version for

1387
01:15:54,570 --> 01:15:51,970
all the English spoken countries and the

1388
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:54,580
Spanish version for all Latin America

1389
01:16:01,979 --> 01:15:58,960
but the the main menu will be the

1390
01:16:06,940 --> 01:16:01,989
streaming the transactional

1391
01:16:09,850 --> 01:16:06,950
yeah the transactional streaming the

1392
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:09,860
pay-per-view right I just found out

1393
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:11,570
you're gonna be on my friend Alejandro

1394
01:16:17,860 --> 01:16:16,130
show coming up oh yeah right that's

1395
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:17,870
right yes he couldn't be with us tonight

1396
01:16:26,710 --> 01:16:24,320
he's actually traveling that so this is

1397
01:16:29,470 --> 01:16:26,720
really interesting I'm so glad that you

1398
01:16:31,900 --> 01:16:29,480
actually were able to be on this show

1399
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:31,910
and talk about this film and and you

1400
01:16:37,229 --> 01:16:34,880
know I I always I'm a little skeptical

1401
01:16:39,340 --> 01:16:37,239
sometimes when someone sends me like oh

1402
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:39,350
you know we have someone that can be on

1403
01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:41,210
your show and all that but after I watch

1404
01:16:49,210 --> 01:16:46,450
the movie it really moved me and I was

1405
01:16:52,450 --> 01:16:49,220
saying yeah I'm glad I'm having you know

1406
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:52,460
this you know these people on my show

1407
01:16:57,970 --> 01:16:56,330
and also just the fact that you do focus

1408
01:17:01,170 --> 01:16:57,980
on the human part of it I think that's

1409
01:17:04,300 --> 01:17:01,180
so important and when you know other

1410
01:17:06,580 --> 01:17:04,310
shows may focus more or less on the

1411
01:17:09,130 --> 01:17:06,590
event itself that was just a little part

1412
01:17:13,630 --> 01:17:09,140
of the movie it was mostly about the

1413
01:17:15,570 --> 01:17:13,640
engine it yeah that yeah yeah thank you

1414
01:17:19,150 --> 01:17:15,580
thank you so much for your words and

1415
01:17:22,590 --> 01:17:19,160
that's what I wanted to do just to focus

1416
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:22,600
on the human aspect because it's

1417
01:17:30,580 --> 01:17:26,090
sometimes the answers to some questions

1418
01:17:35,740 --> 01:17:30,590
are in front of us but we are like we

1419
01:17:39,010 --> 01:17:35,750
are blinded by these lights or we want

1420
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:39,020
to know more about this light and it's

1421
01:17:45,030 --> 01:17:41,330
very it's very difficult because it's

1422
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:45,040
not a one-man job as dr. Bailey said

1423
01:17:51,850 --> 01:17:48,650
many times that if we want to know more

1424
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:51,860
about this UFO phenomenon it requires a

1425
01:17:57,670 --> 01:17:54,530
really big manpower we need to gather

1426
01:18:01,690 --> 01:17:57,680
plenty of scientists from all over the

1427
01:18:05,590 --> 01:18:01,700
world and yeah it's not just one man job

1428
01:18:11,380 --> 01:18:05,600
and not a one filmmaker job so I try I

1429
01:18:15,100 --> 01:18:11,390
only focused on one illness and try to

1430
01:18:15,670 --> 01:18:15,110
relieve him a little bit more now there

1431
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:15,680
were other

1432
01:18:20,650 --> 01:18:17,690
people on your in that particular movie

1433
01:18:23,740 --> 01:18:20,660
that actually had experiences or one at

1434
01:18:25,450 --> 01:18:23,750
least one in particular that was was

1435
01:18:29,250 --> 01:18:25,460
talking about it

1436
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:29,260
now when shark said that there was

1437
01:18:36,060 --> 01:18:31,970
related cases that had nothing to do

1438
01:18:39,100 --> 01:18:36,070
with other related cases did it well a

1439
01:18:43,150 --> 01:18:39,110
jack told me that there were three other

1440
01:18:47,620 --> 01:18:43,160
cases the same week and in the same area

1441
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:47,630
of one and I tried to connect to them

1442
01:18:53,980 --> 01:18:51,440
one was dead but the other two were were

1443
01:18:57,100 --> 01:18:53,990
still alive one was a carpenter they

1444
01:18:58,450 --> 01:18:57,110
come the carpenter of the home of this

1445
01:19:01,930 --> 01:18:58,460
town Venado Tuerto

1446
01:19:05,170 --> 01:19:01,940
and the other one was in a city four

1447
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:05,180
hours away from from when Alberto and I

1448
01:19:14,380 --> 01:19:10,970
made met them and I met them I I could I

1449
01:19:17,710 --> 01:19:14,390
record an interview with them and it was

1450
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:17,720
really really good because what I

1451
01:19:26,230 --> 01:19:21,050
realized from them is that they still

1452
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:26,240
have the innocence from that from their

1453
01:19:30,100 --> 01:19:26,930
childhood

1454
01:19:32,260 --> 01:19:30,110
for example because when if you meet one

1455
01:19:36,460 --> 01:19:32,270
for example you will see that he's a

1456
01:19:39,130 --> 01:19:36,470
grown man he's 52 but you will see that

1457
01:19:43,420 --> 01:19:39,140
behind that appearance there is still a

1458
01:19:45,010 --> 01:19:43,430
child behind behind it and the same

1459
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:45,020
happened with the the other two

1460
01:19:52,810 --> 01:19:49,250
witnesses even but if they the

1461
01:19:55,540 --> 01:19:52,820
difference was that the other to run

1462
01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:55,550
away immediately after the phenomenon

1463
01:20:02,920 --> 01:19:59,360
came to them one was the only one who

1464
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:02,930
remained in the place and got the

1465
01:20:10,810 --> 01:20:08,090
contact from this phenomenon but it's an

1466
01:20:15,660 --> 01:20:10,820
issue for them was really hard

1467
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:15,670
experience too for example a Carlos and

1468
01:20:23,950 --> 01:20:19,970
Roberto I think Roberto was in his bed

1469
01:20:26,740 --> 01:20:23,960
for a month he couldn't do anything

1470
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:26,750
after that event it was really traumatic

1471
01:20:32,930 --> 01:20:29,130
for him and Carlos

1472
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:32,940
a week a whole week was inside of his

1473
01:20:40,970 --> 01:20:36,090
home without seeing anyone it was really

1474
01:20:45,290 --> 01:20:40,980
hard because in the in the case of

1475
01:20:49,900 --> 01:20:45,300
Carlos he was driving his car car and

1476
01:20:56,570 --> 01:20:49,910
suddenly stopped and he saw in his right

1477
01:20:59,390 --> 01:20:56,580
window seven UFO ships some of them were

1478
01:21:03,440 --> 01:20:59,400
landing and the other one were were

1479
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:03,450
still in in the in the air and one of

1480
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:08,850
them was above his car and then he was

1481
01:21:15,970 --> 01:21:10,770
really scared really scared asking to

1482
01:21:20,540 --> 01:21:15,980
God help me help me and then his engine

1483
01:21:22,490 --> 01:21:20,550
turn out turn on and he ran away and he

1484
01:21:24,970 --> 01:21:22,500
couldn't make any kind of contact but

1485
01:21:28,610 --> 01:21:24,980
that experience was really really

1486
01:21:32,270 --> 01:21:28,620
traumatic for him Wow amazing

1487
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:32,280
those those cases were the car just you

1488
01:21:38,060 --> 01:21:34,770
know shut the engine shuts off are just

1489
01:21:41,210 --> 01:21:38,070
phenomenal and there's been so many in

1490
01:21:44,510 --> 01:21:41,220
so many places yeah yeah I've told a

1491
01:21:48,230 --> 01:21:44,520
story a few times here of someone in

1492
01:21:51,620 --> 01:21:48,240
Russia that it was just came up in a

1493
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:51,630
casual conversation I'll tell this story

1494
01:21:56,270 --> 01:21:54,000
quickly again for no one that's heard it

1495
01:21:58,190 --> 01:21:56,280
but this is someone that has you know

1496
01:22:00,530 --> 01:21:58,200
had no idea what a UFO was or anything

1497
01:22:02,690 --> 01:22:00,540
like that and he was going through a

1498
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:02,700
mountain pass and all of a sudden all

1499
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:05,850
the cars stopped and I drove last time I

1500
01:22:09,410 --> 01:22:07,290
was in Russia I drove through this pass

1501
01:22:11,390 --> 01:22:09,420
to see where it was and is very very

1502
01:22:13,490 --> 01:22:11,400
busy as far as cars go a lot of cars go

1503
01:22:14,900 --> 01:22:13,500
through there and so they all pulled

1504
01:22:16,340 --> 01:22:14,910
over to the side of the road some got

1505
01:22:18,110 --> 01:22:16,350
out lifted their engine you know their

1506
01:22:20,020 --> 01:22:18,120
hoods to look at their engine and see

1507
01:22:22,250 --> 01:22:20,030
what was going on and all of a sudden

1508
01:22:24,440 --> 01:22:22,260
someone yelled or something in a

1509
01:22:26,660 --> 01:22:24,450
cigar-shaped craft went right through

1510
01:22:28,070 --> 01:22:26,670
the mountain pass right over their head

1511
01:22:30,380 --> 01:22:28,080
and it's they said there was even

1512
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:30,390
portholes he was describing the little

1513
01:22:35,060 --> 01:22:33,330
porthole windows in it and then it went

1514
01:22:37,610 --> 01:22:35,070
through the pass no sounds at all and

1515
01:22:39,860 --> 01:22:37,620
then someone jumped in their car and

1516
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:39,870
their engine started everyone else

1517
01:22:42,649 --> 01:22:41,850
jumped in the car and all their engines

1518
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:42,659
started and they just

1519
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:44,489
off nobody talked about it or talked to

1520
01:22:50,419 --> 01:22:47,760
each other Wow now that was it but it

1521
01:22:53,899 --> 01:22:50,429
was just another case where you know all

1522
01:22:55,459 --> 01:22:53,909
the it affected the engines which who

1523
01:23:00,290 --> 01:22:55,469
knows what causes that that's pretty

1524
01:23:02,569 --> 01:23:00,300
amazing electromagnetics I guess so

1525
01:23:03,949 --> 01:23:02,579
anyway the lines still open you know I

1526
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:03,959
should check to see if anyone's called

1527
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:06,090
in no one has called in yet you're

1528
01:23:11,060 --> 01:23:08,249
welcome to call in and that's us eight

1529
01:23:13,879 --> 01:23:11,070
five five four seven two five four eight

1530
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:13,889
three where my callers tonight please do

1531
01:23:18,739 --> 01:23:17,010
call in and I will be checking chat if

1532
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:18,749
someone wants to post some questions up

1533
01:23:29,659 --> 01:23:24,449
there for our guests are you as far as

1534
01:23:31,909 --> 01:23:29,669
this movie goes if it's really a great

1535
01:23:34,339 --> 01:23:31,919
success and all that do you think that

1536
01:23:37,279 --> 01:23:34,349
people will reach out to one in

1537
01:23:39,020 --> 01:23:37,289
particular try to reach him or do they

1538
01:23:41,659 --> 01:23:39,030
even know me where they would find maybe

1539
01:23:45,949 --> 01:23:41,669
but it's really hard to find him because

1540
01:23:49,399 --> 01:23:45,959
he does he doesn't use a phone he

1541
01:23:52,069 --> 01:23:49,409
doesn't have any kind of cell phone he

1542
01:23:53,870 --> 01:23:52,079
lives far away from another world he

1543
01:23:57,560 --> 01:23:53,880
lives in the middle of the countryside

1544
01:24:00,319 --> 01:23:57,570
with his family but I think there will

1545
01:24:03,109 --> 01:24:00,329
be some people that want that will work

1546
01:24:06,199 --> 01:24:03,119
that will want to contact him the same

1547
01:24:10,250 --> 01:24:06,209
happened in Argentina after the the

1548
01:24:14,779 --> 01:24:10,260
movie went to the theaters I think at

1549
01:24:17,810 --> 01:24:14,789
least five person wanted to contact him

1550
01:24:21,020 --> 01:24:17,820
and and they found it and it was quite

1551
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:21,030
amazing the experience was for one was

1552
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:25,679
really fun because he knows he usually

1553
01:24:32,209 --> 01:24:29,449
tells me like now I have more friends

1554
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:32,219
right

1555
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:34,530
he was really lonely for four decades

1556
01:24:42,589 --> 01:24:38,010
and now he's someone who has friends

1557
01:24:44,839 --> 01:24:42,599
that people are really I really worried

1558
01:24:48,979 --> 01:24:44,849
about him he won't they want to know

1559
01:24:51,379 --> 01:24:48,989
more about about his case about one so

1560
01:24:56,440 --> 01:24:51,389
it's it's a new experience for for him

1561
01:25:00,620 --> 01:24:56,450
he he does he didn't quit his he's

1562
01:25:05,390 --> 01:25:00,630
homework or he because he still going to

1563
01:25:08,300 --> 01:25:05,400
hunt he he he still doing the phone war

1564
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:08,310
he's taking care of his animal and

1565
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:11,250
that's the only thing that he he really

1566
01:25:16,490 --> 01:25:14,610
loved to do mm-hmm yeah you could tell

1567
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:16,500
you could tell that I don't know how

1568
01:25:20,990 --> 01:25:18,690
someone just goes off in the wilderness

1569
01:25:23,300 --> 01:25:21,000
and just lives like that it just always

1570
01:25:26,060 --> 01:25:23,310
baffles me how they can basically live

1571
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:26,070
off the land and survive it's amazing

1572
01:25:29,480 --> 01:25:27,600
yeah and that's amazing

1573
01:25:33,710 --> 01:25:29,490
once they're actually electricity in the

1574
01:25:36,530 --> 01:25:33,720
house what no we use there was no

1575
01:25:41,180 --> 01:25:36,540
electricity but for the shooting we use

1576
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:41,190
how do we say like a motor operator yeah

1577
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:43,530
a generator things yeah hey thank you

1578
01:25:47,660 --> 01:25:45,570
for speaking English by the way I mean I

1579
01:25:49,220 --> 01:25:47,670
know you had to speak English through

1580
01:25:50,900 --> 01:25:49,230
the show but I know it's not easy for

1581
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:50,910
you and you're you're doing a wonderful

1582
01:25:57,140 --> 01:25:53,730
job so thank you think it's it's not

1583
01:26:00,140 --> 01:25:57,150
easy to speak the subject in Spanish so

1584
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:00,150
in English it's even more difficult yeah

1585
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:03,770
that's right yeah I get that I get that

1586
01:26:11,570 --> 01:26:08,970
if if you had to do the whole thing over

1587
01:26:13,100 --> 01:26:11,580
again you know I talked to a lot of like

1588
01:26:16,970 --> 01:26:13,110
I said earlier I talk to a lot of people

1589
01:26:18,830 --> 01:26:16,980
that are filmmakers and they always

1590
01:26:20,780 --> 01:26:18,840
basically tell me the same thing and it

1591
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:20,790
sounds like this happened to you like

1592
01:26:26,510 --> 01:26:24,330
the film takes on a life of its own and

1593
01:26:30,140 --> 01:26:26,520
kind of Mormon you know you start out

1594
01:26:32,180 --> 01:26:30,150
one it's kind of like when someone's

1595
01:26:34,940 --> 01:26:32,190
painting a painting an abstract painting

1596
01:26:36,260 --> 01:26:34,950
they don't know what's gonna get you

1597
01:26:40,610 --> 01:26:36,270
know they start one place and they don't

1598
01:26:42,770 --> 01:26:40,620
know where it's going to end and the

1599
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:42,780
road that this this took on all the

1600
01:26:49,370 --> 01:26:44,880
different turns and stuff like this you

1601
01:26:53,450 --> 01:26:49,380
mentioned earlier on that you talked

1602
01:26:55,610 --> 01:26:53,460
with one the first time and really you

1603
01:26:59,230 --> 01:26:55,620
know gained his confidence and then you

1604
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:59,240
took three years before you went back

1605
01:27:03,140 --> 01:27:01,440
that that's amazing to me

1606
01:27:05,810 --> 01:27:03,150
that you actually went through that

1607
01:27:08,010 --> 01:27:05,820
trouble because most people want the the

1608
01:27:10,350 --> 01:27:08,020
quick fix I have mmm

1609
01:27:12,180 --> 01:27:10,360
and when I get something done and you

1610
01:27:14,220 --> 01:27:12,190
know get it in the can so to speak at it

1611
01:27:17,970 --> 01:27:14,230
and get it out but you really took your

1612
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:17,980
time yes yes because it was really hard

1613
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:23,650
in speaking in emotional level because I

1614
01:27:30,570 --> 01:27:27,520
was dealing with a person with a heart

1615
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:30,580
with a soul with mine so I wasn't

1616
01:27:36,780 --> 01:27:33,520
prepared on that time to make this the

1617
01:27:40,650 --> 01:27:36,790
film because I didn't know where to

1618
01:27:44,670 --> 01:27:40,660
start where to end so I needed to focus

1619
01:27:48,210 --> 01:27:44,680
just on reading about the subject so I

1620
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:48,220
read plenty of books about UFO I read

1621
01:27:54,630 --> 01:27:50,410
plenty of books about psychology

1622
01:27:59,550 --> 01:27:54,640
I love psychology also and I tried just

1623
01:28:00,690 --> 01:27:59,560
to train myself in order to to make this

1624
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:00,700
film happen

1625
01:28:07,380 --> 01:28:03,810
because I wanted to have plenty of tools

1626
01:28:10,440 --> 01:28:07,390
to to deal with one but also to deal

1627
01:28:12,780 --> 01:28:10,450
which are valid because I was going to

1628
01:28:16,290 --> 01:28:12,790
interview one of the greatest men on

1629
01:28:21,570 --> 01:28:16,300
earth about this this phenomenon so it

1630
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:21,580
was not easy and I had to because I deal

1631
01:28:28,470 --> 01:28:24,730
with shamans that they are not easy to

1632
01:28:31,740 --> 01:28:28,480
deal and we were gift by them because it

1633
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:31,750
was the first time that they spoke about

1634
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:34,810
the secrets because for them talking

1635
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:37,690
about the UFO it's the same to talk

1636
01:28:44,670 --> 01:28:41,170
about God or a divinity because for them

1637
01:28:47,430 --> 01:28:44,680
the UFO phenomenon comes from from a

1638
01:28:50,340 --> 01:28:47,440
spiritual realm so it was the first time

1639
01:28:53,370 --> 01:28:50,350
for them to speak freely about this

1640
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:53,380
subject and for that I thanks to the war

1641
01:29:01,700 --> 01:28:56,650
any people because it was I was honored

1642
01:29:07,890 --> 01:29:01,710
by them and they trust on me so it was a

1643
01:29:10,530 --> 01:29:07,900
good deal for both of us so it was as a

1644
01:29:13,500 --> 01:29:10,540
filmmaker it was a really truly

1645
01:29:16,440 --> 01:29:13,510
challenge because I have to deal with

1646
01:29:21,180 --> 01:29:16,450
shamans with dr. Jacques Vallee with one

1647
01:29:24,290 --> 01:29:21,190
a psychiatrist so it was more like

1648
01:29:27,930 --> 01:29:24,300
a big puzzle with plenty of pieces and

1649
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:27,940
the movie was just about to get all

1650
01:29:36,660 --> 01:29:30,489
these pieces together and get this

1651
01:29:39,689 --> 01:29:36,670
puzzle done when you decided or it was

1652
01:29:46,620 --> 01:29:39,699
I'm guessing was your idea may not have

1653
01:29:49,910 --> 01:29:46,630
been to subject one to hypnotist you

1654
01:29:52,950 --> 01:29:49,920
know regression the regression

1655
01:29:55,580 --> 01:29:52,960
hypnotherapy how did you go about

1656
01:29:59,070 --> 01:29:55,590
choosing someone for that in particular

1657
01:30:04,380 --> 01:29:59,080
and how did all that evolved well I

1658
01:30:05,729 --> 01:30:04,390
chose dr. nester Burlando because I

1659
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:05,739
trust him

1660
01:30:17,370 --> 01:30:14,320
and also he won't trust on him also and

1661
01:30:20,250 --> 01:30:17,380
the other thing that I liked from him is

1662
01:30:23,939 --> 01:30:20,260
that he does he he doesn't use the

1663
01:30:29,220 --> 01:30:23,949
technique of hypnosis is quite different

1664
01:30:32,340 --> 01:30:29,230
because hypnosis is way much deeper than

1665
01:30:36,150 --> 01:30:32,350
this technique this is more like a

1666
01:30:41,490 --> 01:30:36,160
meditation or relaxation and the main

1667
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:41,500
aspect is that when the patient or the

1668
01:30:49,939 --> 01:30:45,370
witness wakes up he will remember

1669
01:30:53,610 --> 01:30:49,949
everything that he had on the regression

1670
01:30:56,910 --> 01:30:53,620
the hypnosis is very difficult they're

1671
01:31:00,410 --> 01:30:56,920
very different because the the patient

1672
01:31:06,450 --> 01:31:00,420
won't remember anything from that

1673
01:31:10,770 --> 01:31:06,460
regression he is and they Antoine was in

1674
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:10,780
control from the whole moment he was in

1675
01:31:18,060 --> 01:31:14,170
charge of what he wanted to share on

1676
01:31:22,590 --> 01:31:18,070
what he wore or what he doesn't want it

1677
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:22,600
to share because in a hypnosis if the

1678
01:31:28,110 --> 01:31:25,449
therapist say for example what are you

1679
01:31:30,300 --> 01:31:28,120
seeing every time the the patient will

1680
01:31:34,859 --> 01:31:30,310
will answer something because he want to

1681
01:31:36,870 --> 01:31:34,869
please the therapist

1682
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:36,880
this technique it's very different

1683
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:40,090
because one will answer whatever he

1684
01:31:45,930 --> 01:31:43,090
wants to answer sometimes he walk he

1685
01:31:48,330 --> 01:31:45,940
went to silent silence for several

1686
01:31:51,330 --> 01:31:48,340
minutes and we didn't know what was

1687
01:31:55,500 --> 01:31:51,340
happening or what he was seeing around

1688
01:31:59,010 --> 01:31:55,510
his his experience so were you there

1689
01:32:02,430 --> 01:31:59,020
were you there the entire time yes I was

1690
01:32:06,260 --> 01:32:02,440
there a funny thing that happened was

1691
01:32:09,510 --> 01:32:06,270
that while we were doing this regression

1692
01:32:14,419 --> 01:32:09,520
everyone in the shooting room and the

1693
01:32:20,129 --> 01:32:14,429
room next to to us everyone fall asleep

1694
01:32:21,510 --> 01:32:20,139
five everyone we don't know what and the

1695
01:32:25,740 --> 01:32:21,520
other thing that happened that was

1696
01:32:28,229 --> 01:32:25,750
really strange is that when one was

1697
01:32:32,910 --> 01:32:28,239
interacting with the phenomenon like

1698
01:32:38,700 --> 01:32:32,920
asking question to the disturbing the

1699
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:38,710
light that was with batteries started to

1700
01:32:43,470 --> 01:32:41,050
flicker like like this for example let

1701
01:32:46,770 --> 01:32:43,480
me show you I have this like this with

1702
01:32:49,649 --> 01:32:46,780
battery you see that it started to make

1703
01:32:51,959 --> 01:32:49,659
like this this kind of movement it was

1704
01:32:56,939 --> 01:32:51,969
quite strange and we didn't we didn't

1705
01:32:59,310 --> 01:32:56,949
know what was happening because if this

1706
01:33:01,589 --> 01:32:59,320
kind of lights with battery they they

1707
01:33:03,810 --> 01:33:01,599
shouldn't have this kind of issues but

1708
01:33:07,020 --> 01:33:03,820
it was in the moment that one was

1709
01:33:10,050 --> 01:33:07,030
interacting with the phenomenon not

1710
01:33:13,169 --> 01:33:10,060
before nor after just in the when he was

1711
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:13,179
asking for example why to me what are

1712
01:33:19,859 --> 01:33:15,610
you doing here what do you mean by

1713
01:33:21,830 --> 01:33:19,869
working etc that's totally amazing

1714
01:33:25,020 --> 01:33:21,840
we have a caller on the line we have

1715
01:33:29,580 --> 01:33:25,030
Ricardo calling from London

1716
01:33:32,879 --> 01:33:29,590
Ricardo welcome to the show oh thank you

1717
01:33:33,510 --> 01:33:32,889
so much that mr. Willis yes thanks for

1718
01:33:36,660 --> 01:33:33,520
the call

1719
01:33:39,570 --> 01:33:36,670
or thank you so my pleasure now I'm

1720
01:33:42,660 --> 01:33:39,580
subscribed to your YouTube channel is

1721
01:33:44,850 --> 01:33:42,670
the first time that I'm seeing your

1722
01:33:47,629 --> 01:33:44,860
program is really interesting on are

1723
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:47,639
from the same country than

1724
01:33:54,500 --> 01:33:52,050
Donilon no far from that sound from the

1725
01:33:58,189 --> 01:33:54,510
novels were to where these event

1726
01:34:00,950 --> 01:33:58,199
happened oh he's talking about the film

1727
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:00,960
and I used to be into year four so used

1728
01:34:07,609 --> 01:34:04,170
to be in a group that was in the same

1729
01:34:10,010 --> 01:34:07,619
town nestled on the site circuitry he

1730
01:34:11,899 --> 01:34:10,020
was mentioning mr. Landis like a psychic

1731
01:34:15,350 --> 01:34:11,909
twist or psychologist who was helping

1732
01:34:18,020 --> 01:34:15,360
him to medicine I was I was in there

1733
01:34:19,879 --> 01:34:18,030
another group were two to UFO groups at

1734
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:19,889
the time you know in the seventies well

1735
01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:21,570
you know you was everywhere in America

1736
01:34:29,689 --> 01:34:24,480
everywhere were so so common you know

1737
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:29,699
you have big places where we used to

1738
01:34:37,729 --> 01:34:33,810
gather and discuss and learn about the

1739
01:34:42,530 --> 01:34:37,739
70s era which was extraordinary until

1740
01:34:44,930 --> 01:34:42,540
the eighties so no I may ask Adam I

1741
01:34:49,189 --> 01:34:44,940
don't want to take the mask a couple of

1742
01:34:52,609 --> 01:34:49,199
questions Fallon it's a countryman of

1743
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:52,619
mine yes first of all thank you for the

1744
01:34:56,060 --> 01:34:54,690
program a thank you to you multi and Sue

1745
01:34:58,640 --> 01:34:56,070
Ellen this is really interesting this

1746
01:35:00,979 --> 01:34:58,650
the first time I thought this discovery

1747
01:35:03,970 --> 01:35:00,989
through YouTube and I'm going to start

1748
01:35:08,030 --> 01:35:03,980
watching a program I wanted to ask him

1749
01:35:10,879 --> 01:35:08,040
two things first of all Alan if he about

1750
01:35:13,459 --> 01:35:10,889
filmmaking thing if he a ufologist or

1751
01:35:15,979 --> 01:35:13,469
was or his interior force of being into

1752
01:35:19,850 --> 01:35:15,989
the field or is it mainly a filmmaker

1753
01:35:23,300 --> 01:35:19,860
and secondly a question tonight the

1754
01:35:25,850 --> 01:35:23,310
green Chu strangely I went to a

1755
01:35:28,990 --> 01:35:25,860
poltergeist meeting with the house one

1756
01:35:31,250 --> 01:35:29,000
of the best British

1757
01:35:32,990 --> 01:35:31,260
paranormal investigator which is Alan

1758
01:35:36,530 --> 01:35:33,000
Moore the he was the head of the ghost

1759
01:35:38,300 --> 01:35:36,540
em Club in Britain which is older than

1760
01:35:41,870 --> 01:35:38,310
the Society for psychical research and

1761
01:35:43,700 --> 01:35:41,880
briefly he mentioned that that guy Lian

1762
01:35:45,859 --> 01:35:43,710
place where who was a researcher of the

1763
01:35:47,750 --> 01:35:45,869
Enfield poltergeist one of the most

1764
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:47,760
famous cases in the world

1765
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:49,530
they made some films about the Enfield

1766
01:35:57,410 --> 01:35:54,210
poltergeist in London in 77 78 guilin

1767
01:36:00,140 --> 01:35:57,420
played one of these researchers had in

1768
01:36:01,490 --> 01:36:00,150
2018 wrote two checks ballet

1769
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:01,500
who is the person who

1770
01:36:08,420 --> 01:36:04,970
to work with Alan in the famous it was

1771
01:36:11,390 --> 01:36:08,430
part of the people who research in this

1772
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:11,400
case and he was to talking about the

1773
01:36:18,020 --> 01:36:14,370
connection perhaps between poltergeist

1774
01:36:20,270 --> 01:36:18,030
and UFOs with what they called ultra

1775
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:20,280
terrestrials and was a very difficult

1776
01:36:24,440 --> 01:36:22,770
subject I wanted to know if Alan could

1777
01:36:26,630 --> 01:36:24,450
tell me first about if he have some

1778
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:26,640
beautiful background or his mainly

1779
01:36:32,750 --> 01:36:30,570
filmic and the theories that now Jack's

1780
01:36:36,170 --> 01:36:32,760
police report about the UFOs and also

1781
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:36,180
violence and also yours Martin so if the

1782
01:36:41,690 --> 01:36:39,810
question is a bit complicated but I came

1783
01:36:43,130 --> 01:36:41,700
from this meeting as okay that's the

1784
01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:43,140
moment to ask a question about these

1785
01:36:49,270 --> 01:36:45,840
theories that could connect perhaps you

1786
01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:49,280
know if he's not first too much perfect

1787
01:37:03,250 --> 01:36:52,800
done I'll listen to you okay Ricardo

1788
01:37:08,450 --> 01:37:03,260
thank you well nice to meet you well

1789
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:08,460
mainly I'm I'm a filmmaker that fall

1790
01:37:15,860 --> 01:37:11,970
into this wonderful world of UFO when

1791
01:37:19,850 --> 01:37:15,870
aliens I fall in love immediately when I

1792
01:37:23,810 --> 01:37:19,860
started in 2013 while I was writing this

1793
01:37:27,440 --> 01:37:23,820
script about an abduction case from a

1794
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:27,450
couple it was a fiction story I cannot

1795
01:37:35,510 --> 01:37:31,050
say that I'm a nephrologist I can say

1796
01:37:41,060 --> 01:37:35,520
that I had to experience with a UFO

1797
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:41,070
sighting one was when I was 24 I was in

1798
01:37:50,060 --> 01:37:45,890
Cusco Peru and the other was when I was

1799
01:37:53,390 --> 01:37:50,070
28 and I was in the same city that I am

1800
01:37:59,240 --> 01:37:53,400
right now in Seville in Spain so I

1801
01:38:04,130 --> 01:37:59,250
prefer to convey consider as an amateur

1802
01:38:07,940 --> 01:38:04,140
as you follow she's a matter because I

1803
01:38:12,410 --> 01:38:07,950
think to be a new folio she is a is a

1804
01:38:14,340 --> 01:38:12,420
big word for me but I was I witness to

1805
01:38:18,030 --> 01:38:14,350
two events two

1806
01:38:22,260 --> 01:38:18,040
- up shake very very strange ones and

1807
01:38:26,050 --> 01:38:22,270
the other question that you asked me was

1808
01:38:30,190 --> 01:38:26,060
really really really important because

1809
01:38:32,740 --> 01:38:30,200
the two questions that I had while I was

1810
01:38:34,900 --> 01:38:32,750
doing this film the first the first one

1811
01:38:38,860 --> 01:38:34,910
was if there is a connection between the

1812
01:38:41,260 --> 01:38:38,870
UFO and the lineage of the contactees

1813
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:41,270
that's the first one and the other

1814
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:43,730
question was really personal for me

1815
01:38:50,530 --> 01:38:48,050
because it was about like if there is a

1816
01:38:54,190 --> 01:38:50,540
connection between the UFO and the

1817
01:38:57,520 --> 01:38:54,200
afterlife and for me perhaps there is a

1818
01:39:03,040 --> 01:38:57,530
connection in the poulter gates and the

1819
01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:03,050
afterlife so when you see the movie when

1820
01:39:08,860 --> 01:39:04,880
you are going to see the movie you will

1821
01:39:12,330 --> 01:39:08,870
see that there is a small scene that

1822
01:39:16,209 --> 01:39:12,340
tries to answer that question very

1823
01:39:19,060 --> 01:39:16,219
symbolic or I don't know there will

1824
01:39:22,330 --> 01:39:19,070
there will be people that will get into

1825
01:39:24,580 --> 01:39:22,340
that scene and they will give you they

1826
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:24,590
will give importance to that scene and

1827
01:39:30,190 --> 01:39:25,370
the other

1828
01:39:34,780 --> 01:39:30,200
they won't give like the S word to that

1829
01:39:38,620 --> 01:39:34,790
scene so for me it was very emotional

1830
01:39:43,030 --> 01:39:38,630
because it's the moment that one broke

1831
01:39:45,970 --> 01:39:43,040
down because he's seeing his grandfather

1832
01:39:50,530 --> 01:39:45,980
in that moment and his grandfather

1833
01:39:52,930 --> 01:39:50,540
passed passed away two years ago from

1834
01:39:58,570 --> 01:39:52,940
Daddy Ben when he was 10 years old when

1835
01:40:01,180 --> 01:39:58,580
that happened it was pretty I will say

1836
01:40:05,860 --> 01:40:01,190
funny because it wasn't on the original

1837
01:40:07,750 --> 01:40:05,870
report and we look I look to dr. Mixter

1838
01:40:09,729 --> 01:40:07,760
Burlando and he was looking to me like

1839
01:40:11,470 --> 01:40:09,739
saying like I don't know what it's

1840
01:40:14,470 --> 01:40:11,480
happening why is he seeing his

1841
01:40:17,140 --> 01:40:14,480
grandfather what that it's happening

1842
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:17,150
here we don't know that so then we

1843
01:40:23,170 --> 01:40:20,690
stopped that regression because one was

1844
01:40:25,930 --> 01:40:23,180
very emotional he was crying he would

1845
01:40:27,790 --> 01:40:25,940
say no my grandfather my grandfather I

1846
01:40:32,049 --> 01:40:27,800
miss you so much

1847
01:40:36,129 --> 01:40:32,059
and then we cut it and then I remember

1848
01:40:38,890 --> 01:40:36,139
that immediately after I went went

1849
01:40:42,819 --> 01:40:38,900
outside I start to walk around the

1850
01:40:45,790 --> 01:40:42,829
countryside asking questions like well

1851
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:45,800
what is what what is happening the first

1852
01:40:49,359 --> 01:40:48,770
one what is all about what is this all

1853
01:40:53,229 --> 01:40:49,369
about

1854
01:40:56,200 --> 01:40:53,239
why the grandfather entered into that

1855
01:40:58,240 --> 01:40:56,210
experience if there is the connection

1856
01:41:00,959 --> 01:40:58,250
between the afterlife and the UFO

1857
01:41:05,919 --> 01:41:00,969
phenomenon is real there is an afterlife

1858
01:41:08,979 --> 01:41:05,929
etc etcetera many question and come came

1859
01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:08,989
into my head it was very difficult but

1860
01:41:15,339 --> 01:41:12,170
now three years after Ricardo I can say

1861
01:41:18,700 --> 01:41:15,349
you that I don't know I don't have an

1862
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:18,710
answer for that but it's still one of

1863
01:41:26,339 --> 01:41:21,530
the most important questions that I want

1864
01:41:30,280 --> 01:41:26,349
- to get some answer from it for sure

1865
01:41:32,649 --> 01:41:30,290
Wow yep that is there are there are

1866
01:41:36,100 --> 01:41:32,659
people that think there's a connection

1867
01:41:37,689 --> 01:41:36,110
between all these different things you

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know that people are talking about all

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things paranormal I was on a ride

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somewhere with my son one time and I was

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01:41:50,049 --> 01:41:47,659
telling him about you know a different

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01:41:52,089 --> 01:41:50,059
experience that I had that was not UFO

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01:41:53,649 --> 01:41:52,099
related but it was actually I don't know

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01:41:56,770 --> 01:41:53,659
if it was a ghost or what it was but was

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actually something that happened that

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was just incredible and I remember him

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turning and look at me

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looking at me and he says you know no

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matter what people are experiencing

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whether you know the total unexplainable

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things each and every one of those

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01:42:16,450 --> 01:42:13,460
things has a real answer as to what it

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really is and which is really bizarre to

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01:42:20,609 --> 01:42:18,020
think about you know when especially

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when it comes to an experience of

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poltergeists and there's you know yeah

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there's a number of people that have

1888
01:42:30,339 --> 01:42:27,800
have had experiences firsthand and I

1889
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:30,349
actually had an experience I don't know

1890
01:42:36,189 --> 01:42:33,650
what it was but you know again there

1891
01:42:41,470 --> 01:42:36,199
there's an answer somewhere for for

1892
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:41,480
these things and yeah I don't think that

1893
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:44,210
I've said many times in the show that we

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01:42:50,530 --> 01:42:48,170
we may never actually know for instance

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01:42:52,690 --> 01:42:50,540
what what UFOs are even though it feels

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01:42:54,070 --> 01:42:52,700
like it's so close you know it's kind of

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01:42:56,830 --> 01:42:54,080
one of the questions I should have asked

1898
01:42:58,450 --> 01:42:56,840
Jacques a little more about like hmm how

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01:43:01,210 --> 01:42:58,460
many times have you felt like really

1900
01:43:04,810 --> 01:43:01,220
close to actually figuring out what

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01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:04,820
these things are and it'd be interesting

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01:43:09,970 --> 01:43:07,610
to here's his answer we have about three

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01:43:12,460 --> 01:43:09,980
minutes left so that's going to be it

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01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:12,470
for the phone calls unless someone wants

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01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:15,410
to call in really quick but again we

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01:43:20,230 --> 01:43:17,810
only have three minutes left or so so

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someone has posted even though they

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01:43:23,110 --> 01:43:21,650
probably new to the show

1909
01:43:24,550 --> 01:43:23,120
they want to know how they can watch a

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01:43:27,340 --> 01:43:24,560
movie and how to get it and all that

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01:43:31,270 --> 01:43:27,350
stuff one more time well of course thank

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01:43:34,900 --> 01:43:31,280
you it will be released next week on

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01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:34,910
October 22nd and you can check on our

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01:43:40,690 --> 01:43:37,970
website witness of another world calm

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01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:40,700
and if you subscribe we will let you

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01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:43,610
know when this movie will work this

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01:43:50,620 --> 01:43:47,210
movie will be available probably it will

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01:43:54,010 --> 01:43:50,630
be live on itunes amazon google and

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01:43:56,530 --> 01:43:54,020
plenty more okay and I'll put that note

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01:43:58,600 --> 01:43:56,540
just for the listener anyone can go over

1921
01:44:00,970 --> 01:43:58,610
to my website which is podcast UFO and

1922
01:44:05,350 --> 01:44:00,980
by the way I forgot to mention we have a

1923
01:44:08,350 --> 01:44:05,360
new blog up on the website which is

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01:44:11,590 --> 01:44:08,360
about Chilean sort of related South

1925
01:44:15,070 --> 01:44:11,600
America Chilean UFOs so check that out

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01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:15,080
over there and up with that the link to

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01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:16,970
your website in the show notes because I

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01:44:20,980 --> 01:44:18,800
don't do not believe they're in there

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01:44:24,610 --> 01:44:20,990
right now so they will be there when the

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01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:24,620
show goes out as a podcast for sure so

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01:44:32,110 --> 01:44:27,890
just a couple more minutes left do you

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think I guess I guess in closing do you

1933
01:44:38,140 --> 01:44:34,820
think that there are some really

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01:44:40,090 --> 01:44:38,150
interesting UFO cases that you're going

1935
01:44:42,750 --> 01:44:40,100
to look into more or do you think you're

1936
01:44:48,460 --> 01:44:42,760
just going to this so you'll move on to

1937
01:44:52,150 --> 01:44:48,470
you know something else mmm I want to

1938
01:44:53,799 --> 01:44:52,160
stay in this field I really want but I

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01:44:58,600 --> 01:44:53,809
need support

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01:45:02,080 --> 01:44:58,610
in in my personal research I will still

1941
01:45:05,290 --> 01:45:02,090
be looking into some really good cases

1942
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:05,300
but if we want to make a piece of art or

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01:45:10,149 --> 01:45:08,090
a movie or a TV series I will need the

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01:45:12,879 --> 01:45:10,159
support from the televisions or

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01:45:15,839 --> 01:45:12,889
production companies or streaming

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01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:15,849
platforms that are I hope they are

1947
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:21,130
interested on continuing this deception

1948
01:45:27,129 --> 01:45:24,530
sure yep I understand totally thank you

1949
01:45:28,870 --> 01:45:27,139
so much we're at the end of our show and

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I really appreciate it

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01:45:32,500 --> 01:45:31,280
it was a it was really great really

1952
01:45:35,140 --> 01:45:32,510
great speaking with you

1953
01:45:37,450 --> 01:45:35,150
thank you Martine likewise thank you so

1954
01:45:38,770 --> 01:45:37,460
much for coming me you bet and good luck

1955
01:45:40,990 --> 01:45:38,780
with your movie I hope it goes really

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01:45:44,709 --> 01:45:41,000
well and I want to just say one more

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01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:44,719
thing thank you for changing one's life

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01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:48,050
you made it a lot better and thank you

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01:45:53,709 --> 01:45:51,050
very important to him okay yeah all

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right you take care thank you take care

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all right bye-bye

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01:45:59,950 --> 01:45:57,260
all right everyone that's it for the

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show thank you so much for listening

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next week I just found out one of we

1965
01:46:08,020 --> 01:46:05,000
have two guests next week I know one of

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01:46:10,660 --> 01:46:08,030
them for sure is going to be dr. seth

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01:46:11,859 --> 01:46:10,670
shostack from the SETI Institute he's

1968
01:46:14,529 --> 01:46:11,869
going to be on the last part of the show

1969
01:46:15,629 --> 01:46:14,539
we had another astronomer on the

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01:46:17,799 --> 01:46:15,639
beginning of the show and unfortunately

1971
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:17,809
he just found out he's going to be on a

1972
01:46:21,700 --> 01:46:19,489
plane so he's not going to be able to

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01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:21,710
make it so anyway I want to thank

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everyone again for listening to the show